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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 6020232" data-attributes="member: 6698278">This post reveals to me that you just stopped by to comment and have not really been following this thread.  There was no edition war going on here.  No edition came up in the conversation until this guy mentioned it.  And I emphasized that these styles of play are totally possible in any edition of the game when I responded.  I may feel one way or another about an edition but in this conversation that was not the discussion.My point was that there are things that distinguish rpgs (all of them) from board games and mmos.   And that I want those things in my games because without those things, I could play much better board games or mmos.  It has really gotten so bad around her that I'm getting these kneejerk 4e defenses on things where I never mentioned or even implied 4e was in particular at fault.  Whether 4e fosters stuff I don't like is beside the point.  The point is that I want whats good about rpgs and what sets them apart from other styles of games to be emphasized in 5e.  Some things that set rpgs apart from other types of games.1. Open ended plot and DM adjudication.2. Group cooperation towards a goal instead of competition.3. Long running character development.4. Immersive campaign worlds full of things never seen before.FOR ME, showing up once a week with a totally new set of players and running an encounter is unsatisfying.  That sort of thing has been done regardless of edition.  4e has perhaps pushed it harder but thats probably because of sales and the desire to get more new players.  FOR ME, playing a game exactly according to RAW where every outcome is defined crystal clear without any adjudication by the DM is like playing an mmo.  MMO's do it because of the contraints of programming.  I'm assuming pen and paper rpgs do it because they want to limit DM error and make life easier.   And I'm fine if others like this approach.  It is not for me.  I want and expect more from my pen and paper games.  When I can go buy a game that does everything for you top to bottom, there has to be some compelling difference for me to spend probably 500 to 1000 dollars worth of time developing a campaign and scheduling players to show up somewhere.</blockquote>

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