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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 8227275" data-attributes="member: 20564">The &quot;you&quot; was responding to your words, not an assumption on how you play.&nbsp; Because the scenario you described was already way past most of the safeguards of non-level-specific play and was cherry-picking an example where they all had been ignored.&nbsp; I wasn't judging your play, I was saying that the scenario you gave was already many player decisions in and we can't just look at that tiny slice.Any time a scenario starts with &quot;they are in an encounter&quot;, there are significant decisions in a non-level-specific world that have already been skipped that make the scenario incomplete and not useful for discussing this.Absolute statement not true absolutely.&nbsp; Have described multiple scenarios, from defending young, to having a slower speed, to the DM providing caves unnavigable to a larger creature.&nbsp; Yes, in many cases a predator will attempt to give chase, but again that is already multiple intentional player descisions down the road which may lead to death - just like any other character decision.Citation please on &quot;certain death&quot;.&nbsp; That's rhetoric that's not backed up by anything, especially with the discussion you have repeated not engaged with that DMing a non-level-specific world does build in flee points for some combats, especially while getting players retrained from a &quot;if the DM put it here it's a level-appropriate encounter&quot; mindset.We agree here.&nbsp; Bad DMing is bad DMing.&nbsp; But that's a corner case not the norm when a table that is aware the world is non-level-specific so players know they need to be cautious in their choices and investigate, and the players chose to engage somethng they can't win in combat (as opposed to other methods), and the players did not investigate and the DM did not provide clues and the players have not prepared any way to flee and the DM also has no reasonable way to flee.&nbsp; There's a lot of ifs going on there, and a&nbsp; lot going wrong on both sides of the screen there to get to that niche.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 8227275, member: 20564"] The "you" was responding to your words, not an assumption on how you play. Because the scenario you described was already way past most of the safeguards of non-level-specific play and was cherry-picking an example where they all had been ignored. I wasn't judging your play, I was saying that the scenario you gave was already many player decisions in and we can't just look at that tiny slice. Any time a scenario starts with "they are in an encounter", there are significant decisions in a non-level-specific world that have already been skipped that make the scenario incomplete and not useful for discussing this. Absolute statement not true absolutely. Have described multiple scenarios, from defending young, to having a slower speed, to the DM providing caves unnavigable to a larger creature. Yes, in many cases a predator will attempt to give chase, but again that is already multiple intentional player descisions down the road which may lead to death - just like any other character decision. Citation please on "certain death". That's rhetoric that's not backed up by anything, especially with the discussion you have repeated not engaged with that DMing a non-level-specific world does build in flee points for some combats, especially while getting players retrained from a "if the DM put it here it's a level-appropriate encounter" mindset. We agree here. Bad DMing is bad DMing. But that's a corner case not the norm when a table that is aware the world is non-level-specific so players know they need to be cautious in their choices and investigate, and the players chose to engage somethng they can't win in combat (as opposed to other methods), and the players did not investigate and the DM did not provide clues and the players have not prepared any way to flee and the DM also has no reasonable way to flee. There's a lot of [I]if[/I]s going on there, and a lot going wrong on both sides of the screen there to get to that niche. [/QUOTE]

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