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<blockquote data-quote="rmcoen" data-source="post: 8241473" data-attributes="member: 6692404">The issue I see, with these players I've been DMing in one campaign or another for decades, is this:M: Guys, this looks bad.&nbsp; I think we should flee.K: Whatever, sure.&nbsp; I'm at half hits.C: If we flee we don't get XP!Me: (remember, I give XP for overcoming challenges and moving the story along.&nbsp; Also dead PCs don't get XP.)C: Okay, yeah, I'm out of spells anyway.&nbsp; Let's go.M: I move away, and Action = Dash/DoubleMove/Run [depending on edition], and Minor/Bonus/Etc [edition] move again [because he's always the rogue, even when playing a cleric]K: I run.&nbsp; I'll take the opportunity attack because AC/HP/Barbarian/etc.C: I cast expeditious retreat / jump / use-my-little-spaceboots and double-move out.J: I attack it.(Everyone looks at him in shock and disbelief.)J: What? Isn't it my turn? What's going on?So that particular problem aside [*cough* cough attention span], sometimes the issue is what was said a few posts ago: most monsters move at least 30'.&nbsp; There always seems to be a speed 20' or speed 25' character in the group (dwarf/gnome/halfling, heavy armor, exhaustion, whatever), so the speed 180' sprinting tabaxi rogue or the speed 120' retreating mage can run all they like... the monster catches and eats the unsupported dwarf.&nbsp; Which no one wants.&nbsp; So they end up not fleeing.&nbsp; Even though I did &quot;Session 0: sometimes you need to flee&quot;, and &quot;You've been gaming with me for decades, you know I don't necessarily make encounters 'winnable'&quot;, and generally try to give lead-in clues, using <a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect" target="_blank">The Worf Effect</a>.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rmcoen, post: 8241473, member: 6692404"] The issue I see, with these players I've been DMing in one campaign or another for decades, is this: [B]M: [/B]Guys, this looks bad. I think we should flee. [B]K[/B]: Whatever, sure. I'm at half hits. [B]C[/B]: If we flee we don't get XP! [B]Me:[/B] (remember, I give XP for overcoming challenges and moving the story along. Also dead PCs don't get XP.) [B]C[/B]: Okay, yeah, I'm out of spells anyway. Let's go. [B]M[/B]: I move away, and Action = Dash/DoubleMove/Run [depending on edition], and Minor/Bonus/Etc [edition] move again [because he's [I]always[/I] the rogue, even when playing a cleric] [B]K[/B]: I run. I'll take the opportunity attack because AC/HP/Barbarian/etc. [B]C[/B]: I cast [I]expeditious retreat[/I] / [I]jump[/I] / [I]use-my-little-spaceboots[/I] and double-move out. [B]J[/B]: I attack it. [I](Everyone looks at him in shock and disbelief.)[/I] [B]J[/B]: What? Isn't it my turn? What's going on? So [I]that[/I] particular problem aside [*cough* [I]cough[/I] attention span], sometimes the issue is what was said a few posts ago: most monsters move at least 30'. There always seems to be a speed 20' or speed 25' character in the group (dwarf/gnome/halfling, heavy armor, exhaustion, whatever), so the speed 180' sprinting tabaxi rogue or the speed 120' [I]retreating[/I] mage can run all they like... the monster catches and eats the unsupported dwarf. Which no one wants. So they end up not fleeing. Even though I did "Session 0: sometimes you need to flee", and "You've been gaming with me for decades, you know I don't necessarily make encounters 'winnable'", and generally try to give lead-in clues, using [URL='https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect']The Worf Effect[/URL]. [/QUOTE]

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