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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6691232" data-attributes="member: 4937">Agreed.&nbsp; That has always been my reading of the spell.Agreed.&nbsp; In context, 'possessor' must be considered a technical term meaning something like 'the character which has the item occupying an item slot'.&nbsp; The more generic and general usage of the word to mean 'one that possesses' isn't I think sufficient here, as it isn't usually sufficient to merely have it in a back pack or in a chest in your residence (both are 'possession' in the general sense).&nbsp; To be the possessor you usually have to wear it in an appropriate item slot or in your hand (in the case of an activated item).&nbsp; The only exceptions I can think of are a few cursed items.&nbsp; Loadstones for example explicitly stay possessed.Agreed that that is the intent, but I can see Greenfield's point regarding the clause &quot;...he is holding&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; Those three words are unnecessary, but if you take them as actually part of the intention, then a natural weapon is a light weapon but by the rules it isn't a held weapon.&nbsp;&nbsp; So by the rules a natural weapon can't be disarmed, sundered, or interact with the haste spell..&nbsp;&nbsp; As another point where the distinction between a weapon and a held weapon matters, if you attempt to sunder a spiked gauntlet does it count as a held weapon, or as a worn object, or as worn armor?&nbsp;&nbsp; My instinct from the rules is that it counts as a worn object, but I can see a DM ruling all three and all be perfectly logical.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6691232, member: 4937"] Agreed. That has always been my reading of the spell. Agreed. In context, 'possessor' must be considered a technical term meaning something like 'the character which has the item occupying an item slot'. The more generic and general usage of the word to mean 'one that possesses' isn't I think sufficient here, as it isn't usually sufficient to merely have it in a back pack or in a chest in your residence (both are 'possession' in the general sense). To be the possessor you usually have to wear it in an appropriate item slot or in your hand (in the case of an activated item). The only exceptions I can think of are a few cursed items. Loadstones for example explicitly stay possessed. Agreed that that is the intent, but I can see Greenfield's point regarding the clause "...he is holding". Those three words are unnecessary, but if you take them as actually part of the intention, then a natural weapon is a light weapon but by the rules it isn't a held weapon. So by the rules a natural weapon can't be disarmed, sundered, or [I]interact with the haste spell.[/I]. As another point where the distinction between a weapon and a held weapon matters, if you attempt to sunder a spiked gauntlet does it count as a held weapon, or as a worn object, or as worn armor? My instinct from the rules is that it counts as a worn object, but I can see a DM ruling all three and all be perfectly logical. [/QUOTE]

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