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<blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 5248698" data-attributes="member: 20805">Here is my thought:&nbsp;I challenge your underlaying assumption is that a KO'd or Stunned PC = Player has no fun.&nbsp;Why? &nbsp;Well, because the Player in question doesn't:&nbsp;- help another player set up for thier next round&nbsp;- help the DM manage the combat&nbsp;- assist in speeding up combat (moving miniatures, researching rules, kibitzing..)&nbsp;- refill the chips/drinks&nbsp;- etc...&nbsp;and instead just sits there mourning thier inability to do anything.&nbsp;I think there are Players out there that will not have fun when thier PC is unable to do anything.&nbsp;I do not think its the GMs job to scrub all non-fun events from the game world to enable these kinds of players. &nbsp;I do think its the GM's job to present a challenging, entertaining setting in which the Players run thier PCs and have fun.So.. No, even when Stun lock sucks or when the Paladin gets KO'd by the Mages Sleep spell and stays out for the entire encounter... its up to the player to stay engaged.&nbsp;{its a 'You can lead a horse to water' sort of thing}</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Primitive Screwhead, post: 5248698, member: 20805"] Here is my thought: I challenge your underlaying assumption is that a KO'd or Stunned PC = Player has no fun. Why? Well, because the Player in question doesn't: - help another player set up for thier next round - help the DM manage the combat - assist in speeding up combat (moving miniatures, researching rules, kibitzing..) - refill the chips/drinks - etc... and instead just sits there mourning thier inability to do anything. I think there are Players out there that will not have fun when thier PC is unable to do anything. I do not think its the GMs job to scrub all non-fun events from the game world to enable these kinds of players. I do think its the GM's job to present a challenging, entertaining setting in which the Players run thier PCs and have fun. So.. No, even when Stun lock sucks or when the Paladin gets KO'd by the Mages Sleep spell and stays out for the entire encounter... its up to the player to stay engaged. {its a 'You can lead a horse to water' sort of thing} [/QUOTE]

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