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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crothian" data-source="post: 633603" data-attributes="member: 232">Okay, our big beefy fighter does 2d6 (greatsword) +6 (strength bonus) +2 (specialization) +3 (Bonus on Sword) each time he hits that's 2d6+11, so max on a crit is 46.  But average is only 18 on a hit (none crit).  He only has 2 attacks a round and rarely hits with both.  Even if he hit with both he still needs a crit plus really good damage to break that 50 damage in a round mark.  Our archers attack 3 timesa round for 1d8+ 2 (strength bouns for mighty bow) +3 magical bow +1 magical arrow.  So that's only 1d8+6, and that's out cleric.  The ranger is a much better archer but doesn't have a magic bow or the strength bonus for a mighty one.  So he hits more often but does less damage per arrow.  Our Wizard has evocation as a banned school, but he has enough spells from source books to still have direct damage potential.  He perfers summoning things, but when he needs to he can clear the board of badguys.  So, if creatures have high SR or high saves he can always resort to other spells to still be very effective.Great spell, but it's only Arcane.  My Oozemaster is a cleric, so I'd have to fast talk the DM to allow it on my spell list.</blockquote>