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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Unseelie" data-source="post: 635751" data-attributes="member: 6940">I'm skipping to the end of this thread, so I apologize if these points have already been made.1) Direct damage spells in 3e do not compare, IME, to the damage output of a buffed fighter or rogue.2) Most DMs objections to Haste that I've seen seem to revolve not around the ability of a wizard or sorcerer to cast twice around, but rather because it's so easy for the rest of the party to haste as well.Watch what your party can do if you start hasting all of your fighters or rogues. I know it's not necessarily rewarding for you, but it IS effective.What I've done in my game is changed haste to a 'Range: Personal' spell. No more potions or wands of haste, but a wizard can still haste themselves.If I were to do it again, I might consider instead changing haste to a 4th level spell. Potions and wands are still possible, but more expensive.3) The route to an effective combat wizard in 3e, IMHO, is to concentrate more on 'Save or <blah>' spells like Circle of Death or the Power Word spells.</blockquote>