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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4305611" data-attributes="member: 40961">Alright, I'll correct.&nbsp; IF you played in a campaign where you regularly encountered enemies whom you struck on &quot;anything but a 1&quot; on the majority of your attacks in your iterative attack chain, then you will see a difference in the value of a +1 to attack in 3e versus 4e.For the rest of us in the real world, &quot;anything but 1 hits&quot; situations weren't actually common in 3e.&nbsp; And situations where you hit on &quot;anything but a 1&quot; with several of your iterative attacks really weren't common.As Nifft points out, what matters is the curve, and whether you meet, exceed, or fall behind it.&nbsp; 4e has a curve just like 3e does.&nbsp; And while the curves are different, the math behind how they're affected by a +1 bonus remains virtually identical between the systems.&nbsp; You have a chance of hitting, a chance of missing, its mediated by a roll of a d20, and a +1 is a +1 either way.Suppose my 4e character hits on a 9+.&nbsp; If I improve that to an 8+, I get about an 8% boost in effective damage over the long term.Suppose my 3e character hits on a 6+ with his first attack, an 11+ with his second, and a 16+ with his third.&nbsp; A +1 bonus to attack gives me a net increase of about 12% when using iterative attacks.And if you must know, if your first attack hits on a 1+, your second on a 6+, your third on a 11+, and your fourth on a 16+, a +1 to your attack roll still gives you a net benefit of about 9%.Even if you can come up with some contrived circumstances in which a character in 3e hits on a number so incredibly low as to make a +1 less valuable for him during an iterative attack than it is for a 4e character doing a typical attack, which won't be easy to do mind you, you'll STILL have to deal with the fact that we're talking about 2 and 3% differences between the value of a +1 in each system.+1s are valuable.&nbsp; They were valuable in 3e, and they're valuable in 4e.&nbsp; Its easy and cheap to get an 18 in 4e, so you might as well.&nbsp; But if you have a good reason not to, don't worry about it.&nbsp; Its still just a +1.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 4305611, member: 40961"] Alright, I'll correct. IF you played in a campaign where you regularly encountered enemies whom you struck on "anything but a 1" on the majority of your attacks in your iterative attack chain, then you will see a difference in the value of a +1 to attack in 3e versus 4e. For the rest of us in the real world, "anything but 1 hits" situations weren't actually common in 3e. And situations where you hit on "anything but a 1" with several of your iterative attacks [I]really[/I] weren't common. As Nifft points out, what matters is the curve, and whether you meet, exceed, or fall behind it. 4e has a curve just like 3e does. And while the curves are different, the math behind how they're affected by a +1 bonus remains virtually identical between the systems. You have a chance of hitting, a chance of missing, its mediated by a roll of a d20, and a +1 is a +1 either way. Suppose my 4e character hits on a 9+. If I improve that to an 8+, I get about an 8% boost in effective damage over the long term. Suppose my 3e character hits on a 6+ with his first attack, an 11+ with his second, and a 16+ with his third. A +1 bonus to attack gives me a net increase of about 12% when using iterative attacks. And if you must know, if your first attack hits on a 1+, your second on a 6+, your third on a 11+, and your fourth on a 16+, a +1 to your attack roll [I]still[/I] gives you a net benefit of about 9%. Even if you can come up with some contrived circumstances in which a character in 3e hits on a number so incredibly low as to make a +1 less valuable for him during an iterative attack than it is for a 4e character doing a typical attack, which won't be easy to do mind you, you'll STILL have to deal with the fact that we're talking about 2 and 3% differences between the value of a +1 in each system. +1s are valuable. They were valuable in 3e, and they're valuable in 4e. Its easy and cheap to get an 18 in 4e, so you might as well. But if you have a good reason not to, don't worry about it. Its still just a +1. [/QUOTE]

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