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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Regicide" data-source="post: 4305862" data-attributes="member: 67552">Huh?  Did you play 3E?  Haste, which gives you a 2nd attack at your best to hit is VERY common, as were bow feats which gave multiple attacks at or near your best to hit.  Likewise attacks of opportunity *cough* spiked chain *cough* are at your best to-hit, quite possibly higher with deft opportunist.  Weapon Supremacy was another giving a fighter with chain easily 4 attacks in a round at their highest to-hit or better.  By 15th level a melee's bonus to hit will normally be well beyond the AC of a typical opponent even if your DM doesn't allow wishs to increase stats.    Exceeeeept... 4E is based around the curve having players keeping the same to-hit chance from level 1 to level 30.  3E is based around players getting additional attacks at a lower to hit, but the likelyhood of hitting increaseing.  A bonus in one system is completely different than in the other.   Your 6+ on first attack is completely unrealistic for 3E.  Take an 11th level barbarian with minimal benefits, a +3 weapon, +4 str item (or heck, bull strength buff), high strength + rageing (22 + 4 + 6 = 32 STR), and +2 from feats or whatever.  He's at +11 level + 11 str + 3 weapon +2 feats or flanking = +27 to hit.   +27 to hit.  Looking at SRD Fire Giant CR10 = AC 23.  Storm Giant CR13 = AC 27.  Iron Golem CR 13 = AC 30.  Adult Black Dragon CR11 = AC 27.  Those are some of the most challenging monsters for their CR, and with the exception of the golem which is 2 CRs above the barbarian, he's hitting on a 2+ for all of them.  Add on haste and he's hitting an adult black dragon at 2+, 2+, 6+, 11+.  The more typical fight of the fire giant is 2+, 2+, 2+, 7+.  There is nothing contrived about it.  That is how 3.5E works.  I could also easily add in another +4 to hit from feats/items or buffs if I wanted, making the dragon a 2+, 2+, 2+, 7+ as well.    A +1 boost from a prime stat is invaluable in 4E because there is no replacement for it.  In 3E there was.</blockquote>

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