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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4306004" data-attributes="member: 40961">Regicide- Argh.  I don't know what to say other than that you did all the math except the math that mattered (the advantage of +1 in addition to what you already put down, or since you optimized the heck out of your example, more properly the disadvantage of taking -1 off of the stats you laid out), and that if you had done the math that mattered, you'd see that all you accomplished was reaching the break even point where a +1 was of equal use in 3e as in 4e.There's no "replacing" the +1 you could have gotten with a high strength score with a +1 from another source in 3e.  This is because the +1 from the other source is already assumed to be part of the system.</blockquote>