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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 6508646" data-attributes="member: 20564">Other systems handle thisMany game systems have a concept like &quot;fail forward&quot;, where a failure on a roll may be a success with consequence.&nbsp; Need to find the secret door in order for plot to move forward?&nbsp; A failed search roll may not be &quot;you don't find anything&quot;, it may be &quot;you find it by a patrol opening it from the other side&quot;.This gets hard in combat though because we drop down to bullet time where instead of one roll or a few rolls total determining success, every little bit gets a roll.&nbsp; Putting interesting failure mechanics on this without slowing down combat is hard.Besides D&amp;D I'm running 13th Age, a d20 OGL from 3rd &amp; 4e lead designers.&nbsp; It handles this multiple ways.&nbsp; First, if your competent with weapons your weapon attacks are &quot;hit hard or just a glance&quot; (miss damage), same for spells.&nbsp; But the classes that focus on melee like the fighter get &quot;flexible attacks&quot;, where the raw number on the d20 give you something special.&nbsp; So you might have one effect on any odd roll, another on even misses, and one on a 16+, and depending on the roll you get to chose which will trigger.&nbsp; So you are doing things even when it's only a glancing blow.Dungeon World is a great system with the right group, but 13th Age is much closer to 5e if that's the feel you are going for.&nbsp; It's kept both 20 year gaming vets and relative newcomers happy and might be worth a look.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 6508646, member: 20564"] [b]Other systems handle this[/b] Many game systems have a concept like "fail forward", where a failure on a roll may be a success with consequence. Need to find the secret door in order for plot to move forward? A failed search roll may not be "you don't find anything", it may be "you find it by a patrol opening it from the other side". This gets hard in combat though because we drop down to bullet time where instead of one roll or a few rolls total determining success, every little bit gets a roll. Putting interesting failure mechanics on this without slowing down combat is hard. Besides D&D I'm running 13th Age, a d20 OGL from 3rd & 4e lead designers. It handles this multiple ways. First, if your competent with weapons your weapon attacks are "hit hard or just a glance" (miss damage), same for spells. But the classes that focus on melee like the fighter get "flexible attacks", where the raw number on the d20 give you something special. So you might have one effect on any odd roll, another on even misses, and one on a 16+, and depending on the roll you get to chose which will trigger. So you are doing things even when it's only a glancing blow. Dungeon World is a great system with the right group, but 13th Age is much closer to 5e if that's the feel you are going for. It's kept both 20 year gaming vets and relative newcomers happy and might be worth a look. [/QUOTE]

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