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Young and Adult dragons too powerful?
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<blockquote data-quote="AtomicPope" data-source="post: 7450341" data-attributes="member: 64790"><p>I remember this post, and the campaign so I'll put it into context:</p><p>* Old post: The post is 10 years old.</p><p>* 4th Edition Dungeons and Dragons: We're currently on 5th edition D&D since it's release in 2014.</p><p>* Encounter Building: 5th Edition uses different encounter building than 4th.</p><p>* Dragons in 5e: A young black dragon in 4e was about as dangerous as a wyrmling in 5e.</p><p></p><p>If you're a new DM you should think about challenging your players and their characters, giving everyone a chance to shine. That means knowing your players and their characters. The campaign from 2008 where I pitting the 2nd level PCs against a Young Black Dragon was my 4th edition remake of 2nd edition "Return to the Keep on the Borderlands", probably one of the best modules ever written. I was running the game for everyone's kids (BTW, it's been so long since that post you quoted the kids are all grown up and in college, the army, the Marines, married, etc). Parents were playing too. The group was 10 people. That should give you a little context for how many PCs were fighting the dragon. The young dragon had a Kobold Cult guarding it. The PCs had to make their way through the caves, past the Kobold traps, past the guards, into the deeper caves and face the dragon on its treasure hoard. Because we had a Ranger, Druid, Rogue, and many more, I added traps where each one would be useful: crossbow traps for the Rogue, poisonous mushroom spores for the Ranger, noisy guard animals for the Druid, heavy boulders to move for the strong guys to roll out of the way, etc. It's a simple way to get everyone involved and thinking about the world.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In 5th Editions "Tales from the Yawning Portal" the PCs will be around 2nd level when they run into a White Dragon wyrmling. We were lucky in that everyone made their saves and the dragon didn't recharge its breath weapon. Even with luck on our side we almost wiped. Half the party was down when our Barbarian landed a killed blow. The Challenge Ratings of monsters is an estimate, not an absolute. You should consider your Player Character's defenses and attacks. For instance, there are some monsters with powerful spell defenses like a Rakshasa's spell immunity. A Rakshasa fighting a party of spell casters would be nearly invincible. However, that same monster wouldn't survive round 1 with a party of Paladins.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AtomicPope, post: 7450341, member: 64790"] I remember this post, and the campaign so I'll put it into context: * Old post: The post is 10 years old. * 4th Edition Dungeons and Dragons: We're currently on 5th edition D&D since it's release in 2014. * Encounter Building: 5th Edition uses different encounter building than 4th. * Dragons in 5e: A young black dragon in 4e was about as dangerous as a wyrmling in 5e. If you're a new DM you should think about challenging your players and their characters, giving everyone a chance to shine. That means knowing your players and their characters. The campaign from 2008 where I pitting the 2nd level PCs against a Young Black Dragon was my 4th edition remake of 2nd edition "Return to the Keep on the Borderlands", probably one of the best modules ever written. I was running the game for everyone's kids (BTW, it's been so long since that post you quoted the kids are all grown up and in college, the army, the Marines, married, etc). Parents were playing too. The group was 10 people. That should give you a little context for how many PCs were fighting the dragon. The young dragon had a Kobold Cult guarding it. The PCs had to make their way through the caves, past the Kobold traps, past the guards, into the deeper caves and face the dragon on its treasure hoard. Because we had a Ranger, Druid, Rogue, and many more, I added traps where each one would be useful: crossbow traps for the Rogue, poisonous mushroom spores for the Ranger, noisy guard animals for the Druid, heavy boulders to move for the strong guys to roll out of the way, etc. It's a simple way to get everyone involved and thinking about the world. In 5th Editions "Tales from the Yawning Portal" the PCs will be around 2nd level when they run into a White Dragon wyrmling. We were lucky in that everyone made their saves and the dragon didn't recharge its breath weapon. Even with luck on our side we almost wiped. Half the party was down when our Barbarian landed a killed blow. The Challenge Ratings of monsters is an estimate, not an absolute. You should consider your Player Character's defenses and attacks. For instance, there are some monsters with powerful spell defenses like a Rakshasa's spell immunity. A Rakshasa fighting a party of spell casters would be nearly invincible. However, that same monster wouldn't survive round 1 with a party of Paladins. [/QUOTE]
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