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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 7264617" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>I have finally started playing D&D 5e with my children. Talking about breeding your own gaming group as the only way to have a stable one these days <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Anyway, after a one-shot introductory adventure (conversion of "A dark and stormy knight" from 3e), in the second session we started a longer adventure (conversion of "Horror on the hill" from BD&D), the final encounter of which can be a young red dragon!</p><p></p><p>So I am trying to make some considerations in advance related to the dragon. I want them to find it, because after they finished their first adventure my children immediately asked "so this was the <em>dungeon</em>, but where is the <em>dragon</em>?" <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/blush.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":blush:" title="Blush :blush:" data-shortname=":blush:" /> Naturally I'll have to use the weakest option i.e. Wyrmling, which is anyway going to be very tough on its own: it's CR 4 and 1100XP, so assuming they'll be 3rd level when they get there, it's already (albeit barely) a "Hard" encounter according to the DMG.</p><p></p><p>One thing that isn't clear yet, is whether a dragon this young should be using <strong>lair actions</strong>. I don't know for sure if a wyrmling <em>doesn't have </em>lair actions at all, <em>can have </em>lair actions (but they aren't included in the CR and XP, which should be increased) or <em>should have</em> lair actions (included in the CR and XP). </p><p></p><p>I am confused by some mildly conflicting information here:</p><p> </p><p>(a) lair actions are not written inside the stat block but instead presented in the "A dragon's lair" section for each dragon type, so they look like they apply to <em>all</em> dragons of such type</p><p>(b) regional effects in the same section explicitly mentions legendary creatures, while lair actions don't</p><p>(c) the MM introduction mentions lair actions <em>only </em>in the context of legendary creatures, and only Adult and Ancient dragons have legendary actions</p><p>(d) someone pointed out that there are monsters with lair actions but not legendary actions (although I couldn't quickly find an example in the MM)</p><p></p><p>So (a) and (b) seem to suggest all dragons have lair actions but (c) suggests only the legendary ones. Maybe there was a Sage Advice to clarify?</p><p></p><p>Using lair actions would be very cool, but I wouldn't want to make the encounter even harder, so if it's not counted into the current CR/XP, I'll skip it. Or maybe I'll just use the "drop prone" effect, but not the lava damage which sounds quite high for CR 4 to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 7264617, member: 1465"] I have finally started playing D&D 5e with my children. Talking about breeding your own gaming group as the only way to have a stable one these days :) Anyway, after a one-shot introductory adventure (conversion of "A dark and stormy knight" from 3e), in the second session we started a longer adventure (conversion of "Horror on the hill" from BD&D), the final encounter of which can be a young red dragon! So I am trying to make some considerations in advance related to the dragon. I want them to find it, because after they finished their first adventure my children immediately asked "so this was the [I]dungeon[/I], but where is the [I]dragon[/I]?" :blush: Naturally I'll have to use the weakest option i.e. Wyrmling, which is anyway going to be very tough on its own: it's CR 4 and 1100XP, so assuming they'll be 3rd level when they get there, it's already (albeit barely) a "Hard" encounter according to the DMG. One thing that isn't clear yet, is whether a dragon this young should be using [B]lair actions[/B]. I don't know for sure if a wyrmling [I]doesn't have [/I]lair actions at all, [I]can have [/I]lair actions (but they aren't included in the CR and XP, which should be increased) or [I]should have[/I] lair actions (included in the CR and XP). I am confused by some mildly conflicting information here: (a) lair actions are not written inside the stat block but instead presented in the "A dragon's lair" section for each dragon type, so they look like they apply to [I]all[/I] dragons of such type (b) regional effects in the same section explicitly mentions legendary creatures, while lair actions don't (c) the MM introduction mentions lair actions [I]only [/I]in the context of legendary creatures, and only Adult and Ancient dragons have legendary actions (d) someone pointed out that there are monsters with lair actions but not legendary actions (although I couldn't quickly find an example in the MM) So (a) and (b) seem to suggest all dragons have lair actions but (c) suggests only the legendary ones. Maybe there was a Sage Advice to clarify? Using lair actions would be very cool, but I wouldn't want to make the encounter even harder, so if it's not counted into the current CR/XP, I'll skip it. Or maybe I'll just use the "drop prone" effect, but not the lava damage which sounds quite high for CR 4 to me. [/QUOTE]
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