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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GrumpyOldMan" data-source="post: 4508739" data-attributes="member: 16469">No argument from me here, more focus on the players choices is the most important thing IMO.I don’t think that the poker analogy is very good. At least, it doesn’t work for me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />When I sit at the gaming table it’s to have fun with my friends. I have always regarded games rules as “more your actual guidelines” <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> . In my games having fun is ALWAYS more important than rules. It is possible to play ANY rpg this way, most of them have the equivalent of a “rule zero” which says “have fun.” I don’t know about 4th edition DnD, but earlier editions did (or something similar). Unfortunately you can’t play poker like this (more’s the pity – I might be able to win).Also your idea of a good D&D "player" is, apparently different to mine. A good player (to me) is one who has his (or her) character react as a ‘real’ person would act under the circumstances. This is not likely to be the same as playing the odds, but I’m prepared to give a lot of leeway to players who do this. A D&D player CAN “look at his stats, current HP, powers etc, and know roughly what his chances of survival are” but that is NOT the only way to play.I’d like to think that the majority of of gamers out there prefer the game to be an enjoyable time had with friends, regardless of their knowledge of rules. But, perhaps we’re both wrong.</blockquote>

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