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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4510481" data-attributes="member: 18280">Not IME, although this may be a difference in our DMing styles.&nbsp; OTOH, I have noticed that some players (including some DMs!) will complain whether they have good reason to or not.When 3e was being formed, the WotC survey took in the complaints of lots of gamers.&nbsp; And they made changes on the basis of those complaints.&nbsp; There are all kinds of examples, however, where removing the object of the complaint made the game worse, not better.&nbsp; The most obvious, perhaps, is the potential rammifications of casting certain spells.It seems to me that 4e is an answer to complaints about 3e.&nbsp;&nbsp; Grappling too tough for you?&nbsp; Now you don't have to worry about whether your target is incorporeal or not!&nbsp; Don't like Vancian casting?&nbsp; We can get rid of that by making melee classes more Vancian!&nbsp; Yuck.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/rant.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rant:" title="Rant&nbsp; &nbsp; :rant:" data-shortname=":rant:" />Already answered, in detail, upthread.My argument is that bad SoD situations which are not the fault of bad/lazy DMing are largely mythological.And what if they don't?RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 4510481, member: 18280"] Not IME, although this may be a difference in our DMing styles. OTOH, I have noticed that some players (including some DMs!) will complain whether they have good reason to or not. When 3e was being formed, the WotC survey took in the complaints of lots of gamers. And they made changes on the basis of those complaints. There are all kinds of examples, however, where removing the object of the complaint made the game worse, not better. The most obvious, perhaps, is the potential rammifications of casting certain spells. It seems to me that 4e is an answer to complaints about 3e. Grappling too tough for you? Now you don't have to worry about whether your target is incorporeal or not! Don't like Vancian casting? We can get rid of that by making melee classes more Vancian! Yuck. :rant: Already answered, in detail, upthread. My argument is that bad SoD situations [i]which are not the fault of bad/lazy DMing[/i] are [i]largely[/i] mythological. And what if they don't? RC [/QUOTE]

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