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<blockquote data-quote="incognito" data-source="post: 559842" data-attributes="member: 7008">For me the worst cheating is the &quot;accidental&quot; cheating.The players are sitting around, waiting for combat, or all rolling some skill or ability check, or even rollling for hp.&nbsp; Anything that takes some time and requires the DMs attention.Player #1 rolls in front of you, and you and he are dicussing the number, and what it means.Player #2 (once player #1's roll is done with, but before the DM is done with him), rolls the correct die, and If/when the result is good, leaves it one the table and begin's exclaiming happily &quot;look at the roll, look at the roll!&quot;&nbsp; The point is, if the roll was low, he just does not say anything...I had a &quot;player #2&quot; (I was player #1) who got away with this&nbsp; for 5 levels of Ranger (he averaged 8 points on a d10!).&nbsp; Also we used 4d6 drop the lowest, and one reroll of a single stat method.&nbsp; I ended up with a 81 total points, not too shabby, but right in front of the DM.&nbsp; High was a 16.&nbsp; &quot;Player #2&quot; had 2, 17's and nothing lower than 12 - and he rolled &quot;at home.&quot;I mentioned this to the DM, after the session, when &quot;player 2&quot; got off yet&nbsp; another miraculous Will save.&nbsp; The next time we rolled for HP, the DM went with &quot;player 2&quot; first.&nbsp; In an unsuprising turn of events - he took the 1/2 (5 hp), rather than rolling.I started a new game.&nbsp; &quot;player 2&quot; was not invited. Then again, I let the players use a point buy for stat generation.For my own cheating (no, I'm not an angel), I am the worst when it looks like the die has landed at a off angle: resting against an book, or a glass or something.&nbsp; If the roll looks &quot;ok&quot; I sometimes more the book, or ask the DM to take a peek and see if the number I think it is will be ok.&nbsp; If it looks low/bad, I sometimes say the die needs rerolling.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="incognito, post: 559842, member: 7008"] For me the worst cheating is the "accidental" cheating. The players are sitting around, waiting for combat, or all rolling some skill or ability check, or even rollling for hp. Anything that takes some time and requires the DMs attention. Player #1 rolls in front of you, and you and he are dicussing the number, and what it means. Player #2 (once player #1's roll is done with, but before the DM is done with him), rolls the correct die, and If/when the result is good, leaves it one the table and begin's exclaiming happily "look at the roll, look at the roll!" The point is, if the roll was low, he just does not say anything... I had a "player #2" (I was player #1) who got away with this for 5 levels of Ranger (he averaged 8 points on a d10!). Also we used 4d6 drop the lowest, and one reroll of a single stat method. I ended up with a 81 total points, not too shabby, but right in front of the DM. High was a 16. "Player #2" had 2, 17's and nothing lower than 12 - and he rolled "at home." I mentioned this to the DM, after the session, when "player 2" got off yet another miraculous Will save. The next time we rolled for HP, the DM went with "player 2" first. In an unsuprising turn of events - he took the 1/2 (5 hp), rather than rolling. I started a new game. "player 2" was not invited. Then again, I let the players use a point buy for stat generation. For my own cheating (no, I'm not an angel), I am the worst when it looks like the die has landed at a off angle: resting against an book, or a glass or something. If the roll looks "ok" I sometimes more the book, or ask the DM to take a peek and see if the number I think it is will be ok. If it looks low/bad, I sometimes say the die needs rerolling. [/QUOTE]

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