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"Your Class is Not Your Character": Is this a real problem?
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7922871" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Okay. If your position is factually true, then you should be able to quote the PHB correct? The part where it says that Barbarians are disqualified from the Noble Background?</p><p></p><p>Here, I'll help you, since you might be away from your books at the moment. I'll put all the relevant text I can think of in spoilers.</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER="Background base Rules"]</p><p>PHB 125 </p><p></p><p>"Every story has a beginning. Your character’s background reveals where you came from, how you became an adventurer, and your place in the world. <strong>Your fighter might have been a courageous knight or a grizzled soldier. Your wizard could have been a sage or an artisan. Your rogue might have gotten by as a guild thief or commanded audiences as a jester.</strong></p><p></p><p>Choosing a background provides you with important story cues about your character’s identity. The most important question to ask about your background is what changed? Why did you stop doing whatever your background describes and start adventuring? Where did you get the money to purchase your starting gear, or, if you come from a wealthy background, why don’t you have more money? How did you learn the skills of your class? What sets you apart from ordinary people who share your background?</p><p></p><p>The sample background in this chapter provides both concrete benefits (features, proficiencies, and languages) and roleplaying suggestions."</p><p>[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>I went ahead and bolded an interesting part for you. It is the one where it lists two different backgrounds for each of the Fighter, Wizard, and Rogue. Now, it doesn't state out right, but it would seem to imply that you can choose different options. </p><p></p><p>Still, maybe noble is more specific?</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER="Noble Background"]</p><p>You understand wealth, power, and privilege. You carry a noble title, and your family owns land, collects taxes, and wields significant political influence. You might be a pampered aristocrat unfamiliar with work or discomfort, a former merchant just elevated to the nobility, or a disinherited scoundrel with a disproportionate sense of entitlement. Or you could be an honest, hard-working landowner who cares deeply about the people who live and work on your land, keenly aware of your responsibility to them.</p><p></p><p>Work with your DM to come up with an appropriate title and determine how much authority that title carries. A noble title doesn’t stand on its own — it’s connected to an entire family, and whatever title you hold, you will pass it down to your own children. Not only do you need to determine your noble title, but you should also work with the DM to describe your family and their influence on you.</p><p></p><p>Is your family old and established, or was your title only recently bestowed? How much influence do they wield, and over what area? What kind of reputation does your family have among the other aristocrats of the region? How do the common people regard them?</p><p></p><p>What’s your position in the family? Are you the heir to the head of the family? Have you already inherited the title? How do you feel about that responsibility? Or are you so far down the line of inheritance that no one cares what you do, as long as you don’t embarrass the family? How does the head of your family feel about your adventuring career? Are you in your family’s good graces, or shunned by the rest of your family?</p><p></p><p>Does your family have a coat of arms? An insignia you might wear on a signet ring? Particular colors you wear all the time? An animal you regard as a symbol of your line or even a spiritual member of the family?</p><p></p><p>These details help establish your family and your title as features of the world of the campaign.</p><p></p><p><strong>Skill Proficiencies:</strong> History, Persuasion</p><p><strong>Tool Proficiencies:</strong> One type of gaming set</p><p><strong>Languages:</strong> One of your choice</p><p><strong>Equipment:</strong> A set of fine clothes, a signet ring, a scroll of pedigree, and a purse containing 25 gp</p><p></p><p><strong>Feature: Position of Privilege</strong></p><p>Thanks to your noble birth, people are inclined to think the best of you. You are welcome in high society, and people assume you have the right to be wherever you are. The common folk make every effort to accommodate you and avoid your displeasure, and other people of high birth treat you as a member of the same social sphere. You can secure an audience with a local noble if you need to.</p><p></p><p><strong>Suggested Characteristics</strong></p><p>Nobles are born and raised to a very different lifestyle than most people ever experience, and their personalities reflect that upbringing. A noble title comes with a plethora of bonds — responsibilities to family, to other nobles (including the sovereign), to the people entrusted to the family’s care, or even to the title itself. But this responsibility is often a good way to undermine a noble.</p><p> [/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>Hmm, don't see anything that says "Prerequisites" or "Mutually Exclusive with this Class" </p><p></p><p>But, I could very possibly be missing a section of the PHB. If you could quote me the exact page number where it tells you which backgrounds you are not allowed to take with which classes, because doing so would break the rules of the game, then I would be much obliged. </p><p></p><p>Because, if you can't, that would imply that despite your claims that "the class would be called something else if this was allowed" that, actually, it is allowed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 7922871, member: 6801228"] Okay. If your position is factually true, then you should be able to quote the PHB correct? The part where it says that Barbarians are disqualified from the Noble Background? Here, I'll help you, since you might be away from your books at the moment. I'll put all the relevant text I can think of in spoilers. [SPOILER="Background base Rules"] PHB 125 "Every story has a beginning. Your character’s background reveals where you came from, how you became an adventurer, and your place in the world. [B]Your fighter might have been a courageous knight or a grizzled soldier. Your wizard could have been a sage or an artisan. Your rogue might have gotten by as a guild thief or commanded audiences as a jester.[/B] Choosing a background provides you with important story cues about your character’s identity. The most important question to ask about your background is what changed? Why did you stop doing whatever your background describes and start adventuring? Where did you get the money to purchase your starting gear, or, if you come from a wealthy background, why don’t you have more money? How did you learn the skills of your class? What sets you apart from ordinary people who share your background? The sample background in this chapter provides both concrete benefits (features, proficiencies, and languages) and roleplaying suggestions." [/SPOILER] I went ahead and bolded an interesting part for you. It is the one where it lists two different backgrounds for each of the Fighter, Wizard, and Rogue. Now, it doesn't state out right, but it would seem to imply that you can choose different options. Still, maybe noble is more specific? [SPOILER="Noble Background"] You understand wealth, power, and privilege. You carry a noble title, and your family owns land, collects taxes, and wields significant political influence. You might be a pampered aristocrat unfamiliar with work or discomfort, a former merchant just elevated to the nobility, or a disinherited scoundrel with a disproportionate sense of entitlement. Or you could be an honest, hard-working landowner who cares deeply about the people who live and work on your land, keenly aware of your responsibility to them. Work with your DM to come up with an appropriate title and determine how much authority that title carries. A noble title doesn’t stand on its own — it’s connected to an entire family, and whatever title you hold, you will pass it down to your own children. Not only do you need to determine your noble title, but you should also work with the DM to describe your family and their influence on you. Is your family old and established, or was your title only recently bestowed? How much influence do they wield, and over what area? What kind of reputation does your family have among the other aristocrats of the region? How do the common people regard them? What’s your position in the family? Are you the heir to the head of the family? Have you already inherited the title? How do you feel about that responsibility? Or are you so far down the line of inheritance that no one cares what you do, as long as you don’t embarrass the family? How does the head of your family feel about your adventuring career? Are you in your family’s good graces, or shunned by the rest of your family? Does your family have a coat of arms? An insignia you might wear on a signet ring? Particular colors you wear all the time? An animal you regard as a symbol of your line or even a spiritual member of the family? These details help establish your family and your title as features of the world of the campaign. [B]Skill Proficiencies:[/B] History, Persuasion [B]Tool Proficiencies:[/B] One type of gaming set [B]Languages:[/B] One of your choice [B]Equipment:[/B] A set of fine clothes, a signet ring, a scroll of pedigree, and a purse containing 25 gp [B]Feature: Position of Privilege[/B] Thanks to your noble birth, people are inclined to think the best of you. You are welcome in high society, and people assume you have the right to be wherever you are. The common folk make every effort to accommodate you and avoid your displeasure, and other people of high birth treat you as a member of the same social sphere. You can secure an audience with a local noble if you need to. [B]Suggested Characteristics[/B] Nobles are born and raised to a very different lifestyle than most people ever experience, and their personalities reflect that upbringing. A noble title comes with a plethora of bonds — responsibilities to family, to other nobles (including the sovereign), to the people entrusted to the family’s care, or even to the title itself. But this responsibility is often a good way to undermine a noble. [/SPOILER] Hmm, don't see anything that says "Prerequisites" or "Mutually Exclusive with this Class" But, I could very possibly be missing a section of the PHB. If you could quote me the exact page number where it tells you which backgrounds you are not allowed to take with which classes, because doing so would break the rules of the game, then I would be much obliged. Because, if you can't, that would imply that despite your claims that "the class would be called something else if this was allowed" that, actually, it is allowed. [/QUOTE]
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