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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7924519" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I've never argued that class does not have anything to do with identity. I'm arguing it isn't the end all and be all their identity. Not all bards are traveling musicians who sleep with any creature they can get away with. Some of them are sages who prefer the deep recesses of a library. Some are Captains, belting out anthems and marching songs to keep up the vigor of the troops. Some are wandering swordsmasters looking for a proper challenging fight. Some are assassins in it for the coin. All of these are viable. A class is more than one trope. And the background can be as important or more important to that character. A soldier might be more soldier than whatever their class is, following military regulations and preferring a crisp hierarchy to any sort of free-form governance. Everyone might interact more with a character as a pious follower of a god of light and peace, dealing with their beliefs and how they were raised as opposed to what they do in combat. A sage might be seeking ancient knowledge, and that defines them more than being a rogue or a ranger at home in the wilds and dangers of the world. A Guild Artisan might be seeking inspiration for their work, taking up adventuring only as a means to pay for their travel expenses and the supplies they need to create their masterpiece. Throwing all of it away and demanding that class takes precedent over every other aspect of the character is what we are arguing against, not that class is meaningless, but that class is not absolute.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 7924519, member: 6801228"] I've never argued that class does not have [B]anything [/B]to do with identity. I'm arguing it isn't the end all and be all their identity. Not all bards are traveling musicians who sleep with any creature they can get away with. Some of them are sages who prefer the deep recesses of a library. Some are Captains, belting out anthems and marching songs to keep up the vigor of the troops. Some are wandering swordsmasters looking for a proper challenging fight. Some are assassins in it for the coin. All of these are viable. A class is more than one trope. And the background can be as important or more important to that character. A soldier might be more soldier than whatever their class is, following military regulations and preferring a crisp hierarchy to any sort of free-form governance. Everyone might interact more with a character as a pious follower of a god of light and peace, dealing with their beliefs and how they were raised as opposed to what they do in combat. A sage might be seeking ancient knowledge, and that defines them more than being a rogue or a ranger at home in the wilds and dangers of the world. A Guild Artisan might be seeking inspiration for their work, taking up adventuring only as a means to pay for their travel expenses and the supplies they need to create their masterpiece. Throwing all of it away and demanding that class takes precedent over every other aspect of the character is what we are arguing against, not that class is meaningless, but that class is not absolute. [/QUOTE]

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