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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7924879" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Because of what you express in this postI know it came after, but it highlights the issue exactly. A barbarian cannot be civilized according to you. They must be uncivilized. Mechanics for noble? Their Position of Privilege feature says this "Thanks to your noble birth, people are inclined to think the best of you. You are welcome in high society, and people assume you have the right to be wherever you are. "And the Knight in particular says "As an emblem of chivalry and the ideals of courtly love, you might include among your equipment a banner or other token from a noble lord or lady to whom you have given your heart — in a chaste sort of devotion. "So, under your own logic (I must have either been a noble and become a barbarian, or been a barbarian and become a noble) my character has one of two possible existances. Either I am a tribal warrior, savage and uncultured who was granted lands, and therefore Old Blood nobles welcome me to their galas and events, even though I show up in animal skins and eat with my bare hands. Or, I was a nobleman, and through events I was left stranded out in the wilderness, and became a wild man to survive. Yet, why? Why are you deciding that my character must act in these ways? Why is my personality decided by my class? Why do I hold a token of courtly love, if I do not believe in courtly love? How is honoring the great deeds of past warriors different if I do it with wine and an epic romance era saga (with accompanying family lineage) instead of in a bawdy song while quaffing cheap ale? Why must I throwing the serving woman over my shoulder and drag her off, instead of paying for a candlelit dinner with fine wines and pleasant music to woo her?And so, I presented the slippery slope. If all Barbarians must by nature be uncivilized buffoons, unable to grasp the intricacies of high culture, then must all Fighters be grizzled veterans of war? All Clerics cloistered scholars who have taken vows of poverty and piousness? Are all bards horny lutists with a heart of gold? You agree to one, why not the others? Why is it okay to say that one class has their personality set in stone, while the others do not?</blockquote>

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