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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7924898" data-attributes="member: 23751">Incorrect.&nbsp; That is not according to me.&nbsp; It is according to the PHB.Or, as in the example I gave some time earlier, Noble can be adapted to barbarian use.&nbsp; Barbarian society exists and the son of a chief would qualify.&nbsp; Barbarians would be inclined to think the best of you.&nbsp; You would be welcome in the councils and such(high society).&nbsp; It's not as if someone with a traditional Noble would be welcomed into barbarian councils or that barbarians would be inclines to think the best of them. It does say MIGHT include a token of courtly love.&nbsp; You do not have to have one.&nbsp; If you do have one, it is because you chose it.&nbsp; Nothing says you have to possess all of the traditional virtues of a knight, but if you CHOOSE knight, you are choosing enough of them to be recognizable as a knight, which takes more than a suit of armor.&nbsp; You are choosing to tie that roleplay to your character.Yes.&nbsp; Those things are obviously different.&nbsp; Just like karate and kung fu are obviously different ways to achieve a similar end result.And there is a Strawman of my argument.&nbsp; I specifically avoided the little specifics that don't change the general nature of the class, like being a scholar, having vows of poverty, being a lutist, etc.It seems that your responses can only contain fallacious arguments.&nbsp; I'd love to see a valid argument from you in response to me.What makes you think that the entirety of a barbarian's personality is uncivilized?&nbsp; That seems foolish and unnecessarily limiting to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7924898, member: 23751"] Incorrect. That is not according to me. It is according to the PHB. Or, as in the example I gave some time earlier, Noble can be adapted to barbarian use. Barbarian society exists and the son of a chief would qualify. Barbarians would be inclined to think the best of you. You would be welcome in the councils and such(high society). It's not as if someone with a traditional Noble would be welcomed into barbarian councils or that barbarians would be inclines to think the best of them. It does say MIGHT include a token of courtly love. You do not have to have one. If you do have one, it is because you chose it. Nothing says you have to possess all of the traditional virtues of a knight, but if you CHOOSE knight, you are choosing enough of them to be recognizable as a knight, which takes more than a suit of armor. You are choosing to tie that roleplay to your character. Yes. Those things are obviously different. Just like karate and kung fu are obviously different ways to achieve a similar end result. And there is a Strawman of my argument. I specifically avoided the little specifics that don't change the general nature of the class, like being a scholar, having vows of poverty, being a lutist, etc. It seems that your responses can only contain fallacious arguments. I'd love to see a valid argument from you in response to me. What makes you think that the entirety of a barbarian's personality is uncivilized? That seems foolish and unnecessarily limiting to me. [/QUOTE]

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