Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Your experiences with broken Pathfinder characters? (edit: more accurately, w/1 avg PF character when the rest of the party is meh)
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="airwalkrr" data-source="post: 6110699" data-attributes="member: 12460"><p>(Emphasis mine) That is the point, though. It is not arbitrary. It is a carefully weighed decision after the DM feels an appropriate amount of time has gone by. I rarely take things away from players. But on the rare occasion that I do, it is always after much thought and experience on the matter. If something appears unbalancing at first, I do not immediately snatch it away. I let it ride for a while. I take note of whether the player is using it all the time or if it is something that only comes up occasionally and whether or not it is giving the player an unfair advantage over other players and the player's opponents. Even if I do find it unbalancing, I try to see if there is a way to mitigate the effect somehow either (first) on my side of the screen then (after) on the player's side. I only take something away if I feel I have no other resort. It is anything but arbitrary.</p><p></p><p>I empathize with your situation on the loss of the unicorn. Perhaps the DM made a rookie mistake and allowed something before realizing how unbalancing it might be and fudged the death without recognizing the consequences. But perhaps the death wasn't as fishy as you believed. I wasn't there, so I cannot say. It is unfortunate that the two of your could not come to some compromise, but would you have done anything different you knew for a fact that the unicorn's death was legitimate? Sometimes paladin mounts do die, and the paladin has to go on without it. It seems you understood the rules of the game and did not want to play by them because you defined them differently for your character. Unless the DM agreed to that at the start of the game, I cannot agree that your actions were appropriate; it seems to me you didn't make the case until the unicorn died, and IMHO, that is too late to be making the case. Maybe I misunderstand the situation, but from what you have said, it doesn't seem like the DM did anything wrong.</p><p></p><p>But besides all that, I am not talking about taking away a part of a character's concept. The reason I cited the Gygax story is because that is usually the situation that requires addressing. The rules of all versions of D&D get heavily play-tested and re-tested as the system evolves. The rules for building characters are usually the most robust parts of the rules. But sometimes a DM lets an item (or two, as was the case with Erac's Cousin) slip into the game which he later realizes is unbalancing, and has little recourse but to somehow remove the item from play. In any event, at least the player gets to have the item(s) for a while and enjoy the awesome power while the DM evaluates whether or not it was appropriate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="airwalkrr, post: 6110699, member: 12460"] (Emphasis mine) That is the point, though. It is not arbitrary. It is a carefully weighed decision after the DM feels an appropriate amount of time has gone by. I rarely take things away from players. But on the rare occasion that I do, it is always after much thought and experience on the matter. If something appears unbalancing at first, I do not immediately snatch it away. I let it ride for a while. I take note of whether the player is using it all the time or if it is something that only comes up occasionally and whether or not it is giving the player an unfair advantage over other players and the player's opponents. Even if I do find it unbalancing, I try to see if there is a way to mitigate the effect somehow either (first) on my side of the screen then (after) on the player's side. I only take something away if I feel I have no other resort. It is anything but arbitrary. I empathize with your situation on the loss of the unicorn. Perhaps the DM made a rookie mistake and allowed something before realizing how unbalancing it might be and fudged the death without recognizing the consequences. But perhaps the death wasn't as fishy as you believed. I wasn't there, so I cannot say. It is unfortunate that the two of your could not come to some compromise, but would you have done anything different you knew for a fact that the unicorn's death was legitimate? Sometimes paladin mounts do die, and the paladin has to go on without it. It seems you understood the rules of the game and did not want to play by them because you defined them differently for your character. Unless the DM agreed to that at the start of the game, I cannot agree that your actions were appropriate; it seems to me you didn't make the case until the unicorn died, and IMHO, that is too late to be making the case. Maybe I misunderstand the situation, but from what you have said, it doesn't seem like the DM did anything wrong. But besides all that, I am not talking about taking away a part of a character's concept. The reason I cited the Gygax story is because that is usually the situation that requires addressing. The rules of all versions of D&D get heavily play-tested and re-tested as the system evolves. The rules for building characters are usually the most robust parts of the rules. But sometimes a DM lets an item (or two, as was the case with Erac's Cousin) slip into the game which he later realizes is unbalancing, and has little recourse but to somehow remove the item from play. In any event, at least the player gets to have the item(s) for a while and enjoy the awesome power while the DM evaluates whether or not it was appropriate. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Your experiences with broken Pathfinder characters? (edit: more accurately, w/1 avg PF character when the rest of the party is meh)
Top