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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 2340007" data-attributes="member: 4049">More mercy?  Overall, perhaps, but Batman still doesn't kill anyone in TDKR.I was waiting for this.It's all about context.  In The Lord of the Rings, both the books and the film adaptations, the fantasy realm works due to the context.  The fantasy realm has a history, depth, cultural and social mores (not as deep in the films as in the novels, but they're there), and a history do which the characters can refer.  There is a dramatic realism because the environment, although fantastic, is treated in a sophisticated, realistic fashion.We don't have this in Burton's Gotham and, due to the nature in which The Batman is handled, it's not necessarily a problem.  Gotham, like The Batman, just is.  There's no attempt to rationalize it's status in the world, why it's architecture is as it is, or why it's so crime ridden.  This parallels the take on The Batman, who -- aside from the murder of his parents -- seems to have no motivation, no origins, nothing really defining him.  He's not meant to be perceived in that film as a serious, dramatic person with whom audiences can sympathize, much less empathize.  This is in stark contrast to the Gotham in Batman Begins that is the way it is for reason that are discussed and explored by the characters throughout the telling (just like Middle Earth id discussed and explored by the character throughout LotR).  Like Batman, it has a serious role to play and is presented in a manner that most people can identify with and be concerned with.  It's a far more realistic and sophisticated fantasy than Burton's version.Star Wars...  Well, I think SW is filled with holes big enough to fly the Death Star through, so I won't address this one.Hardly.Bale's 6'1" and probably close to 200 Ilbs.  He's not only muscular, he's well defined.  Batman is 6'2" and 210 Ibls and is typically illustrated with a muscular, well defined physique.  He's a dark man with a brooding look, just like Bale.  Clooney possesses none of these characteristics beyond his height, gender, and "race."  Bale comes closer than any one in meeting Batman's specifications.He sounded best when he wasn't yelling at someone... Like when he chats with Gordon at the end of the film.Yes, the weakest characters perhaps, but Dawes was significantly stronger than Vale.  Dawes represents the ideal of Gotham, someone who hasn't given up and, despite the darkness around her, still exudes light.  Unlike Alfred (who, as far as we know, never left Wayne Manor) or Gordon (who's trapped in his situation), Dawes is out in the thick of things fighting despite the threats to her life.  The Dawes character plays an integral role in the telling beyond just being a possible love interest.  Her bravery makes sense and her being threatened (because the work she does so threatens the establishment) makes sense.  Vale offers none of these things.  Her motivations are nebulous as is her interest in Bruce Wayne.  The Joker's interest in her is horribly contrived. Her role in the big picture is asinine.   This is going to be one that I think I'll be in the minority on.  And I understand why.  I own at least six or seven Elfman scores and I wore the tape out when I bought the score to Batman 16 years ago.  It's fun stuff.  However, I still believe that although its a fun (and very romantic score), it doesn't have the "horror" feel that Batman needs to be effective.  Just like Batman's portrayal in this film is more accurate (we don't see much of him when he takes on most bad gus), the music captures this accuracy to a greater degree.They were infinitely better.  Batman doesn't toy around.  He's in and he's out with most of the fight scenes with thugs...  Just like in the comics.  Although I recognize folks' distaste for the manner in which the fights were edited, I had no problem with them. I could tell exactly what was happening in the contests.  However, the fights in this more closely paralleled those in the comics than those in any/i] of the previous films.</blockquote>

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