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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 2341384" data-attributes="member: 4049">Really?  If you're referring to the thug that he kicks in book one, The Batman says that he's young and will recover.  And there's no telling what happened to the Mutant Leader.Which is a reflection of the simplisity of the fantasy.  There's no depth.  You're essentially admitting as much.  I'm not saying that it's not a good thing, but there's no depth to it and as a result it's not as sophisticated or as likely to be taken with any degree of seriousness.  Now, whether or not the was Burton's intent, I do not know; however, this is a sharp divergence from the better comics out there that, while recognizing that comics are a fantasy, seek to create more sophisticated fantasies a la LotR or SoFaI.  Princess Bride is a satire on fairy tales with a different goal that Batman.  First Blood is not intended to be much more than an action film that offers a basic premise to get the story going.  Beyond that, Rambo doesn't really have much of a personality and, as such, isn't meant to be treated all that seriously.  Enter the Dragon even more so: we know what motivates Lee's character to enter the tournament, but it's a simple (very simple) narrative that doesn't presume to be more than it is: something to be taken as a serious drama.  This is not to say that these films aren't good at what they do, but to say that they're not expected to be more than what they are.  They're also (with the exception of PB) not adaptations as far as I know while Batman is.The Batman character at his best has always been relatively complex for a superhero.  He's always possessed a degree of depth that puts him beyond these examples your providing.  Actually, we get Wayne "kicking ass" from the beginning of Batman Begins in addition to dramatic weight, excellent characterization, consistent plotting and storytelling.  It can happen in the hands of someone who takes a character of this nature seriously and someone who does not go out of their way to put his/her own personal (and inappropriate) mark on the character.Realistic within the context of the film.  As I said in the previous post.  There is nothing realistic about Batman within the context of the film because we learn very little about him, his world, and how and why he does what he does.  This simplisity is paralleled with a shallow city.  You must be blind  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> At any rate, I notice you don't address the other factors I indicate that show that Bale, to date, was the best cast.  As I said before, I didn't dislike the '89 version...  I just recognize it for what it is (a serviceable and artsy film) and what it isn't (an faithful adaptation of the character).  At the time, it was the best Batman fans had but it wasn't what it could have been despite being a step in the right direction.  Batman Begins is far better across all boards when compared to the '89 film in capturing the character.</blockquote>

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