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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 2344065" data-attributes="member: 4049">Actually, I do think that there are attempts to develop or at least draw sympathy (and maybe empathy) for the character.  It just fails miserably because the overarching nature of the film is so simple.  We see Wayne's parents' murder; we see him dropping off roses and Vale wondering about him; we see Vale and Wayne "fall in love;" we get Alfred's comments about mourning the Waynes' son.  All of this is here but very little of it is explored.  It's a gaping hole that I think is paralleled by the overall concept of the film, from set design, to the nebulous nature of The Batman's crusade.And, again, even if it's true that there was no intent to focus on character development, it still fails to support itself well as an adaptation.  In that alone, it's not as successful a film.I understand what you're saying (and saying in a far more mature and sophisticated way than certain other people) and I can see how this comes across.  I don't believe that I am though I don't know if there's any way to prove it.There's a lot more great storytelling out there beyond just Miller's rendition of the character if you're interested.  Although I was entertained by Nicholson's Joker, he wasn't really The Joker.  That version of the character possessed too much of an identity... Although one could argue that it better defined the character for laypersons.  His Joker was funny and sinister, but he was neither down right insane in a pyschotic way (more along Moore's handling of the character) or a wholly evil, diabolical sociopath (my preference and, apparently, Miller's).  Not to mention that he looked nothing like the character.  That said, I think the best Joker for a live action Batman was probably Ceasar Romero.  He looked like him (sans the moustache) and his laugh was perfect.</blockquote>

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