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Message: <blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 7373004" data-attributes="member: 92511">There are, then, as others have pointed out (and I believe a refent thread dug into) the idea of organizing classes by Ability.So you begin with 6:Str: FighterCon: BarbarianDex: Thief(rogue)Int: Mage(wizard)Wis: ClericCha: BardEvery other class, then, begins combinations of two...and I suppose if you wanted to go on to 3 abilities defining a class there are plenty to shoehorn in as needed. So...Str + Wis = PaladinWis + Con = DruidCha + Int = Warlock, and so on.Others prefer the "Power Source" way of thinking...though I would heartily stay away from defining classes by "roles" and just look a them as: Melee, Caster, Skills, Combo/Support.  This gives you, similar to the 4e game grid and depending on how granular you want to get with "Power sources"...I would expect a game to at least begin with something like:. . . . . . . . . Martial . . . . . Arcane . . . . . Divine . . . . . Nature . . . . . Shadow Melee:. . . . Fighter . . . . . Artificer?. . . . Paladin . . . . Barbarian . . . . AssassinCaster: . .Swordcaster?. . . Mage . . . . . . Cleric . . . . . .Druid . . . . . . WarlockSkills: . . .Swashbuckler . . Alchemist . . . Avenger . . . . Ranger . . . . Thief/RogueSupport: . Cavalier/Knight . .Witch . . . . . Monk . . . . . . .Bard . . . . . .IllusionistThere are, then, that would just make everything a complete subclass system, with ONLY the big 4 and everything else stemming from those...Fighter--Knight-----Paladin-----Blackguard--Barbarian-----Berserker-----Totem Warrior--Eldritch Knight-----Illusionist-Warrior (gnome subclass)-----Homebrew Campaign Griffon-Riding Lancer-Conjurer guys or whatever other drilled-down specializations anyone can come up with.Mage--Illusionist----Arcane Trickster--Necromancer--Evoker----Pyro-/Geo-/Areo-/Aqua-mantic Sorcerer-------Cryomantic Sorcerer--Enchanter----Fae Witch--Diviner----Soothsayer----Fortuneteller----Seer...and so on and on and on for every title name and fantasy character archetype to the end of time.There is reverting back...or, rather, incorporating and innovating foreward the race-as-class of BECM AND the class restrictions and level maximums of AD&D. Say, something like, Humans can be any class.Elves are: Fighters, Mages, Thieves, Druids, Illusionists, Rangers, Eldritch Knights (Ftr/MU), or Arcane Tricksters (Thf/MU). That is what elves are/can be and that's it.Dwarves are: Fighters, Clerics, Thieves, Paladins (Cle/Ftr), Avengers (Cle/Thf), Barbarians, Assassins.Halflings are: Fighters, Clerics, Thieves, Illusionists, Rangers, Bards, Assassins.etc...</blockquote>

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