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Message: <blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 7377386" data-attributes="member: 92511">Pulling from the "Let's make a Warlord for 5e" thread -seems more appropriate to expound upon here- one could also go the route of sorting classes by "meshing" abilities for every base class...as I alluded to in a previous post. This organization, which I am warming up to more and more,would give you a game presenting something similar to the following...OO! WHAT IF...instead of 3e+ style MCing, part of the game and class organization is worked up like ye olde Thief-Acrobat or Bard? If you're a fighter, you be a fighter for, like, at least 3 but no more than 5 levels, you can take one of the "subclass" options or just continue on the straight-up Fighter track?So, you want to be a barbarian, fine. You're a fighter running around in a loin cloth with a battle axe for 3-5 levels and then you take/become a [Fighter-]Barbarian and the rest of your progression is your Barbarian tricks and features and rage shtick.Want to be a paladin? Great! You buy your armor and sword. Maybe get a horse. You play the pious knight-in-shining-armor for 3-5 levels and then you can take/become a [Fighter-]Paladin tricks and features and auras and "hand laying" shtick.Fighter: be the normal fighter-warrior guy, whatever flavor/style you want. Hits reliably, damages reliably, stays standing longer than most. All armor. All weapons. NO Magic.--Barbarian: the Con. Ftr., Signature thing: Rage, deals more damage, gets some survival/endurance skills, NO MAGIC!--Warlord: the Int. Ftr., Signature thing: Inspire, hits more often (through others), others stand longer (helps with saves), gets some interactive/leadership skills, NO MAGIC!--Paladin: the Wis Ftr., Signature thing: Auras & Divine magic, better hit/damage/control through magic effects & limited spells.--Ranger: the Dex. Ftr., Signature thing: "Marks" [favored prey/quarry/enemies] & limited Nature magic, limited hit/damage/control through magic effects & limited spells, some nature/stealth skills.--Swordcaster ["spellsword, swordmage, eldritch knight," whatever]: the Cha. Ftr., Signature thing: Arcane [or Mystic/psychic?] magic, better ability (hits/damage/field control/what have you) through magical effects & limited spells. Basically, a Ftr-Sorcerer or Ftr-Mystic vs. a Ftr-spell-casting-MU/Wizard. A Jedi. Let's call it what it is, it's a D&D Jedi.Mage: be the normal magic-using spell-slinging guy, whatever flavor you want. Casts spells, know lore n' stuff, squishy squish but eventual uber power. No armor. Limited weapons. ALL Magic. --Illusionist: the Dex. MU, Sig: Illusions, arcane magic, perception manipulation/control.--Psychic: the Con. MU, Sig: Mental Powers, mind and force manipulation/control.--Hedge/Witch: the Wis. MU, Sig: Hexes, arcane & nature magic, nature & crafting tricks & skills.--Sorcerer: the Cha. MU, Sig: Spell Topic Trees/Metamagic, arcane magic, at-will powers.--Battlecaster: the Str. MU, Sig: Martial Prowess, arcane magic, some armor, some more weapons.  Rogue--Thief: Cha. Rog.--Acrobat: Str. Rog.--Assassin: Con. Rog.--Bard: Wis. Rog.--Investigator: Int. Rog.Mystic--Cleric: Str. Mys.--Druid: Con. Mys.--Warlock: Cha. Mys.--Necromancer: Int. Mys. --Monk/Ascetic: Dex. Mys.</blockquote>

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