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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 4365561" data-attributes="member: 2205">That's true for me as well, or at least the &quot;implied setting&quot; of 4e is a lot closer to my vision than something like &quot;Greyhawk as default&quot; ever was.&nbsp; Making no judgements about the rules; I still haven't read very far into them, and since my group has no interest in switching (myself included) to a new system at this point, it's a moot point.&nbsp; I do have to agree that the implied setting assumptions about 4e are very intriguing to me, though, and went along many lines that I had already adapted into my homebrews.Yeah, ditto.&nbsp; If FR of any stripe is gritty to you, then I guess I can only suggest you play Exalted or something.&nbsp; From my perspective, the &quot;grassroots gritty&quot; movement I described still has a long way to go before it makes any kind of dent in the high fantasy pulp/swashbuckling feel of D&amp;D settings in general, and most of the published ones in particular.I guess I'm at a loss.&nbsp; If FR is too gritty for you, then I have no idea what you mean by gritty, because by my standards, FR isn't gritty at all.&nbsp; Even with the purported 4e changes to the setting.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 4365561, member: 2205"] That's true for me as well, or at least the "implied setting" of 4e is a lot closer to my vision than something like "Greyhawk as default" ever was. Making no judgements about the rules; I still haven't read very far into them, and since my group has no interest in switching (myself included) to a new system at this point, it's a moot point. I do have to agree that the implied setting assumptions about 4e are very intriguing to me, though, and went along many lines that I had already adapted into my homebrews. Yeah, ditto. If FR of any stripe is gritty to you, then I guess I can only suggest you play Exalted or something. From my perspective, the "grassroots gritty" movement I described still has a long way to go before it makes any kind of dent in the high fantasy pulp/swashbuckling feel of D&D settings in general, and most of the published ones in particular. I guess I'm at a loss. If FR is too gritty for you, then I have no idea what you mean by gritty, because by my standards, FR isn't gritty at all. Even with the purported 4e changes to the setting. [/QUOTE]

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