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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 239970" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>If I may comment on some of your "assumptions" of D&D...</p><p></p><p></p><p>1) Elves are like anybody else....humans with pointy ears.</p><p>Reply: Not really. Elves are an extreme, like any other D&D race. In the case of elves, this means extremely chaotic, freedom-loving, art-inspired, tree-hugging humanoids of questionable sexuality. They are *quite* different from any person I've ever met, both in terms of what they look like and *especially* in how they act. Elves love nature, but feel superior to it. They love beauty and find themselves masters of it. They enjoy freedom, and think that nobody has the right to declare themselves the "better" of an elf and thus boss him around. Elves are cocky, snooty, hippie snobs who know that everyone else thinks highly of them.</p><p></p><p>In fact, one of the things I like best about ALL the races in 3e is that they're very much given a character and a demeanor that makes them exremely *something*. Even the humans are extremely ambitious, varied, and prosperous.</p><p></p><p>If elves *are* just pointy-eared humans in your campaign world, I think your DM needs to have a bit of fun making them different, myself.</p><p></p><p>2) Clerics have to heal everone</p><p>Reply: I think this is more something for party cohesion than anything. Nothing gets people on the offensive faster than refusing to dole out the cure wounds to 'em, and this is a good way to make people hostile *fast.* It shouldn't be that way, but it's a sad truth. If you don't heal someone, they may get seriously pissed at you.</p><p></p><p>That said, it's not the most realistic, unless everyone's all buddy-buddy like it's assumed. Just be aware that in being realistic, you may piss peopple off. Some people take not getting healed *very* personally.</p><p></p><p>3) An elvish cleric of war is an oxymoron</p><p>Reply: O'course not. Elves are very warlike....archers, chainmail, longswords. Heck, they're trained to swing around big metal sticks and to hate orcs from birth. They've had to do quite a bit to defend their own egoes over the millenia, and it shows. They usually prefer peace, but they argue that such creatures as Goblins don't want it and wouldn't want it if it was offered -- so if they challenge the elves, the elves kill them for being that cocky in thinking they could take on an elf.</p><p></p><p>Corellon has the War domain for a reason, after all . <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I suspect many of these issues will be found to be minor quirks within the group and/or style itself, and I'd applaud you trying to work to show that elves are quite different and can be warlike at a table where they're usually not different and not warlike. You're telling it like it is, not as your group seems to see it. The not-healing thing, if it leads to out-of-character whining, I'd maybe go light on. Maybe ask for a minor donation or something. You can still show your unwillingness, but if it causes a problem it may be going a bit overboard.</p><p></p><p>So, the role-playing:</p><p></p><p>He's very wise....and he knows it...and expects everyone to respect that. Especially those who aren't elves, since elves are *obviously* better than other races. He's a confident warrior, perhaps exhaulting in the art of war and the defeat of an evil who thinks they know things that they don't. If you want to go to an extreme, he can only drink elvish wines, only sleep in elvish mats, only wear elvish clothes, etc. A real racist, basically. You could make those who wish healing repeat a prayer or admit their falliability. If you take it too far, though, be prepared for some big-time ribbing when he eventually fails at what he thinks he's best at. The very sins we suffer from are usually what we find most disgusting in others.</p><p></p><p>I'd also consider using the Gray Elf sub-race. Not so much for a stat reason, but because they're depicted as being quite the superior arse holes, such snobs that they even look down on other elves as being their rustic, gap-toothed, in-bred cousins.</p><p></p><p>You may also consider eventually mutliclassing in Wizard to practice the full elven art, or maybe Fighter to gain a few bow-related abilities or to "hone the art of war" further.</p><p></p><p>Have fun with your militant, bigot hippy! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 239970, member: 2067"] If I may comment on some of your "assumptions" of D&D... 1) Elves are like anybody else....humans with pointy ears. Reply: Not really. Elves are an extreme, like any other D&D race. In the case of elves, this means extremely chaotic, freedom-loving, art-inspired, tree-hugging humanoids of questionable sexuality. They are *quite* different from any person I've ever met, both in terms of what they look like and *especially* in how they act. Elves love nature, but feel superior to it. They love beauty and find themselves masters of it. They enjoy freedom, and think that nobody has the right to declare themselves the "better" of an elf and thus boss him around. Elves are cocky, snooty, hippie snobs who know that everyone else thinks highly of them. In fact, one of the things I like best about ALL the races in 3e is that they're very much given a character and a demeanor that makes them exremely *something*. Even the humans are extremely ambitious, varied, and prosperous. If elves *are* just pointy-eared humans in your campaign world, I think your DM needs to have a bit of fun making them different, myself. 2) Clerics have to heal everone Reply: I think this is more something for party cohesion than anything. Nothing gets people on the offensive faster than refusing to dole out the cure wounds to 'em, and this is a good way to make people hostile *fast.* It shouldn't be that way, but it's a sad truth. If you don't heal someone, they may get seriously pissed at you. That said, it's not the most realistic, unless everyone's all buddy-buddy like it's assumed. Just be aware that in being realistic, you may piss peopple off. Some people take not getting healed *very* personally. 3) An elvish cleric of war is an oxymoron Reply: O'course not. Elves are very warlike....archers, chainmail, longswords. Heck, they're trained to swing around big metal sticks and to hate orcs from birth. They've had to do quite a bit to defend their own egoes over the millenia, and it shows. They usually prefer peace, but they argue that such creatures as Goblins don't want it and wouldn't want it if it was offered -- so if they challenge the elves, the elves kill them for being that cocky in thinking they could take on an elf. Corellon has the War domain for a reason, after all . :) I suspect many of these issues will be found to be minor quirks within the group and/or style itself, and I'd applaud you trying to work to show that elves are quite different and can be warlike at a table where they're usually not different and not warlike. You're telling it like it is, not as your group seems to see it. The not-healing thing, if it leads to out-of-character whining, I'd maybe go light on. Maybe ask for a minor donation or something. You can still show your unwillingness, but if it causes a problem it may be going a bit overboard. So, the role-playing: He's very wise....and he knows it...and expects everyone to respect that. Especially those who aren't elves, since elves are *obviously* better than other races. He's a confident warrior, perhaps exhaulting in the art of war and the defeat of an evil who thinks they know things that they don't. If you want to go to an extreme, he can only drink elvish wines, only sleep in elvish mats, only wear elvish clothes, etc. A real racist, basically. You could make those who wish healing repeat a prayer or admit their falliability. If you take it too far, though, be prepared for some big-time ribbing when he eventually fails at what he thinks he's best at. The very sins we suffer from are usually what we find most disgusting in others. I'd also consider using the Gray Elf sub-race. Not so much for a stat reason, but because they're depicted as being quite the superior arse holes, such snobs that they even look down on other elves as being their rustic, gap-toothed, in-bred cousins. You may also consider eventually mutliclassing in Wizard to practice the full elven art, or maybe Fighter to gain a few bow-related abilities or to "hone the art of war" further. Have fun with your militant, bigot hippy! :) [/QUOTE]
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