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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 9588661" data-attributes="member: 57112">Okay. Um.... no? I mean, you're certainly entitled to think that that's how it ought to be, but it's also pretty painfully obvious that the things that are actually in the books actually matter to an awful lot of people, whether those things are positively or negatively received. I mean, take the gender statement in the 5.0 PHB. I was pretty deep at that point in my heavy self-denial phase, but even then I very much appreciated it (or at least the thought behind it, given its awkwardness and even-at-the-time outdated language); and I was far from alone in that sentiment. Meanwhile, a lot of really awful people got really upset over it. Now, is it true that transgender and non-binary players (and characters) existed in D&amp;D tables long before that statement? Of course. And is it true that there are still tables where such players and/or characters are not welcome? Yes, of course! You might even be correct in stating that such actual realities at home games are more important than whatever cultural shift in values are being signalled by these changes in the written text. But that doesn't render those shifts entirely unimportant either. Both are plenty significant to plenty of people. Again, that much is pretty obviously evident.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 9588661, member: 57112"] Okay. Um.... no? I mean, you're certainly entitled to think that that's how it [I]ought to be[/I], but it's also pretty painfully obvious that the things that are actually in the books actually matter to an awful lot of people, whether those things are positively or negatively received. I mean, take the gender statement in the 5.0 PHB. I was pretty deep at that point in my heavy self-denial phase, but even then I very much appreciated it (or at least the thought behind it, given its awkwardness and even-at-the-time outdated language); and I was far from alone in that sentiment. Meanwhile, a lot of really awful people got really upset over it. Now, is it true that transgender and non-binary players (and characters) existed in D&D tables long before that statement? Of course. And is it true that there are still tables where such players and/or characters are not welcome? Yes, of course! You might even be correct in stating that such actual realities at home games are more important than whatever cultural shift in values are being signalled by these changes in the written text. But that doesn't render those shifts entirely unimportant either. Both are plenty significant to plenty of people. Again, that much is pretty obviously evident. [/QUOTE]

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