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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ledded" data-source="post: 1527371" data-attributes="member: 12744">I have to put in a slightly dissenting opinion here, with all due respect. The random element does not do as much to keep the price down as it does to make sure that WotC and your FLGS makes more money and stocks them easier (i.e. keeps the *cost* down more than it does the *price*).  There are lines of metal minis of a similar bad quality, unpainted, that sell for similar or less prices if you look for them. Now for prepainted minis sold non-randomly, there not always more expensive.  Sure, em4miniatures and ebayers sell metal minis with a decent paintjob, but you can get singles in mage knight plastics that are far superior to the WotC stuff at prices approaching the pennies.  Check out after-market sites like <a href="http://www.pjcc.com" target="_blank">www.pjcc.com</a> and a few others.  Look for loose Mage Knight lots on ebay that fit your needs.  I've bought some plastic miniatures (mostly mage knight monsters for me and heroclix for my son) and, on average, I paid about 24-50 cents each for them.  And I picked exactly what I wanted.  I have a decent sized warband (10-12) of well sculpted and decently painted orcs that I paid about $4-5 dollars for, and in the exact combination I wanted them.  I've bought entire lots of clix miniatures off of ebay, maybe 20 clix for about $8 including shipping, then stripped the big base off and did a little easy converting for some halfway decent 'normal' townsfolk for our modern game. Sure, the D&D miniatures have their place and lots of folks like them.  That's fine with me, though I'm not a big fan, as I really enjoy collecting and painting miniatures.  But you *can* find better bargains without having to paint a ton of stuff and get to pick what you want if you just look for them. Just my 2 cents.  Oh man, thanks for posting that The_Gneech.   Most people dont realize that while RPG's may be a relatively recent development historically, people have been staging battles with their toy soldiers using well-defined rule sets for at least 100 years, if not a whole lot longer. I'm not a big wargamer myself, but a lot of our D&D and d20 Modern sessions have turned into huge sprawling battles with lots of opponents that take hours to finish, and are a lot of fun.  (See the miniatures link in my sig for some examples, there are pics from a WWII scenario we did once that was a ton of fun)</blockquote>

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