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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6092977" data-attributes="member: 4937">Yeah, when you are the DM that's probably true.The biggest problem I have with offering players narrative authority is D&amp;D has no means of reconciling narrative conflicts between players or between the players and the scene or really anything else.&nbsp; This isn't like Dogs in the Vineyard were we can mark off narrative authority like any other resource and balance consequences and risks.&nbsp; D&amp;D just doesn't have the framework.&nbsp; It has its roots down in tactical wargaming.&nbsp; On the one hand you suggest that you run old school style skillful play contests where you attempt to challenge the PC's.&nbsp; And on the other hand you suggest that PC's have narrative authority, which would make all attempts to challenge PC's meaningless.&nbsp; So, could you give some concrete examples of running a cooperative story building game that also involves challenging the PC's?&nbsp; That's pretty much the size of it.&nbsp; It wouldn't take pulling that many times before I'd politely indicate that, unfortunately, real world commitments of some sort prevent me from continuing with the campaign.&nbsp; If &quot;spend more time with family&quot; can be a good cover story for cabinet members, I figure it can work for bored players as well.&nbsp; But tell me, what do you enjoy?&nbsp; How do you make the sort of table social contract you are describing here work?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6092977, member: 4937"] Yeah, when you are the DM that's probably true. The biggest problem I have with offering players narrative authority is D&D has no means of reconciling narrative conflicts between players or between the players and the scene or really anything else. This isn't like Dogs in the Vineyard were we can mark off narrative authority like any other resource and balance consequences and risks. D&D just doesn't have the framework. It has its roots down in tactical wargaming. On the one hand you suggest that you run old school style skillful play contests where you attempt to challenge the PC's. And on the other hand you suggest that PC's have narrative authority, which would make all attempts to challenge PC's meaningless. So, could you give some concrete examples of running a cooperative story building game that also involves challenging the PC's? That's pretty much the size of it. It wouldn't take pulling that many times before I'd politely indicate that, unfortunately, real world commitments of some sort prevent me from continuing with the campaign. If "spend more time with family" can be a good cover story for cabinet members, I figure it can work for bored players as well. But tell me, what do you enjoy? How do you make the sort of table social contract you are describing here work? [/QUOTE]

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