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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6093008" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Technically you are going to try to go through the door and you are going to find out whether you can do that.</p><p></p><p>Sadly, the 1e rules are a little vague on the use of Rhinocerous's as seige weapons. However there is a pretty good chance that you were wrong; rhinos in 1e can't necessarily charge through a door in a single round. According to the DMG, wooden doors have 1 defensive point. So far so good. Hill giants are capable of doing 1 defensive point of damage to wood structures per attack, and Hill giants seem to me the closest analogue to a rhino on the table. So, if the door is a normal wooden door, I rule that you go through. But if the door is reinforced with iron bands, then you have a problem. Reinforced doors have 3 defensive points, and your rhino now can't bash through in a single attack even if generously allow double damage on a charge attack. Now, if you are in my normal game, by golly you are going through that door on shear coolness value alone. But in tournament? I'm going to be as stickler to the rules as written as I can.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, I spent a lot of time polymorphed in 1e (and I do mean a lot) and I'm really familiar with the spell, and there is a huge nightmare of a rules problem charging through a door while polymorphed into a Rhino opens up. According to the text of Polymorph Self, the player doesn't get the attack forms of the creature he polymorphs into. So the DM is probably perfectly in his rights to just have the charging rhino be no more effective than battering your own head against a reinforced 4" thick wooden door. How would you have felt about that ruling?</p><p></p><p>As for Sepia Snake Sigal, yeah, the Unearthed Arcana was filled with broken stuff. In retrospect, I wish I'd never adopted it as a DM, but at the time I was way to young to evaluate a rules set properly.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As much as I hate offering outcomes rather than propositions to a DM, that is a mortal sin in a DM. Once you set the scene, you never rebalance it against the player. The scene never evolves to cope with their actions. That's one of the biggest problems with improvisation. It's almost impossible for an improv DM to play fair when everything is evolving as a result of a player's actions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6093008, member: 4937"] Technically you are going to try to go through the door and you are going to find out whether you can do that. Sadly, the 1e rules are a little vague on the use of Rhinocerous's as seige weapons. However there is a pretty good chance that you were wrong; rhinos in 1e can't necessarily charge through a door in a single round. According to the DMG, wooden doors have 1 defensive point. So far so good. Hill giants are capable of doing 1 defensive point of damage to wood structures per attack, and Hill giants seem to me the closest analogue to a rhino on the table. So, if the door is a normal wooden door, I rule that you go through. But if the door is reinforced with iron bands, then you have a problem. Reinforced doors have 3 defensive points, and your rhino now can't bash through in a single attack even if generously allow double damage on a charge attack. Now, if you are in my normal game, by golly you are going through that door on shear coolness value alone. But in tournament? I'm going to be as stickler to the rules as written as I can. Furthermore, I spent a lot of time polymorphed in 1e (and I do mean a lot) and I'm really familiar with the spell, and there is a huge nightmare of a rules problem charging through a door while polymorphed into a Rhino opens up. According to the text of Polymorph Self, the player doesn't get the attack forms of the creature he polymorphs into. So the DM is probably perfectly in his rights to just have the charging rhino be no more effective than battering your own head against a reinforced 4" thick wooden door. How would you have felt about that ruling? As for Sepia Snake Sigal, yeah, the Unearthed Arcana was filled with broken stuff. In retrospect, I wish I'd never adopted it as a DM, but at the time I was way to young to evaluate a rules set properly. As much as I hate offering outcomes rather than propositions to a DM, that is a mortal sin in a DM. Once you set the scene, you never rebalance it against the player. The scene never evolves to cope with their actions. That's one of the biggest problems with improvisation. It's almost impossible for an improv DM to play fair when everything is evolving as a result of a player's actions. [/QUOTE]
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