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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6093555" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Just for fun, let me throw in another example:1st Ed tournament game (yes, the same one I mentioned before), an octagonal room with eight doors.&nbsp; Each leads to a corridor, which in turn lead to an outer circle way.&nbsp; Each spoke corridor is guarded by an Elemental or Para-Elemental that you have to pass to move on.After a bit of thinking we approached the Smoke Para-Elemental and spoke to it using a little-used rule:&nbsp; Alignment Tongue.&nbsp; By this D&amp;D 1e rule, creatures of the same alignment shared a common language.We asked the Para-Elemental what his orders were.&nbsp; He said that he had been ordered by the Time Lord to guard this corridor.Noting to the DM that, by the rules, beings like this hated being forced into servitude, and would pervert their orders if they could, my character presented the following argument: &quot;By all means, guard the corridor.&nbsp; It's perfectly safe from us, in that we will neither harm nor steal it.&nbsp; All we want to do is walk through it.&quot;The DM ground his teeth on that one, then agreed that we'd found a way and let us through.&nbsp; Half way.&nbsp; Then he changed his mind, and said that he couldn't let us get through that easily.In that case he not only changed a ruling, he intentionally dragged out the battle, to add a time penalty.&nbsp; The module, as written, called for a fight, so there had to be a fight no matter what.Was I being abusive?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6093555, member: 6669384"] Just for fun, let me throw in another example: 1st Ed tournament game (yes, the same one I mentioned before), an octagonal room with eight doors. Each leads to a corridor, which in turn lead to an outer circle way. Each spoke corridor is guarded by an Elemental or Para-Elemental that you have to pass to move on. After a bit of thinking we approached the Smoke Para-Elemental and spoke to it using a little-used rule: Alignment Tongue. By this D&D 1e rule, creatures of the same alignment shared a common language. We asked the Para-Elemental what his orders were. He said that he had been ordered by the Time Lord to guard this corridor. Noting to the DM that, by the rules, beings like this hated being forced into servitude, and would pervert their orders if they could, my character presented the following argument: [B] "By all means, guard the corridor. It's perfectly safe from us, in that we will neither harm nor steal it. All we want to do is walk through it."[/B] The DM ground his teeth on that one, then agreed that we'd found a way and let us through. Half way. Then he changed his mind, and said that he couldn't let us get through that easily. In that case he not only changed a ruling, he intentionally dragged out the battle, to add a time penalty. The module, as written, called for a fight, so there had to be a fight no matter what. Was I being abusive? [/QUOTE]

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