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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6098460" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>And, to be as honest as I can be, that is ridiculous (obviously IMO).  That is only 'best understood' in that way if you are playing at a game or in a system that formerly establishes that approach.  If the game you are playing at has not formerly worked in that way and the system you are playing in does not formally bless that approach to play, then there is no reason at all to assume that the act of summoning a monster is 'best understood' according to a paradigm that isn't a part of the game and may not even be part of GMs tool set.   I can imagine a lot of GMs playing D&D have never even heard of 'scene framing' in a formal manner, aren't familiar with BW or DitV or MHRP or Forge in any fashion.   And while Hussar is evidently well versed in such techniques, it's not at all clear that a player in general offering up the proposition is aware of such techniques and could clearly explain even to himself what his intentions were or that his intentions would necessarily be the same as Hussar's.  Nor is it clear that Hussar (however clear his own understanding may have been) clearly explained his intention and desire to the DM, hense the resulting table conflict he describes over expectations.  As I said, if I conjured up a monstrous centipede as a player it would be with the expectation of engaging with the desert, and not avoiding it.  I happen to know this because as a player I once conjured a sand elemental to carry us across the desert in a very similar fashion.  I spread a carpet on its back, put up a canopy, and set down and beginning playing my flute.  It was a 'cool' way to travel, and part of my motivation clearly overlapped with Hussar's (the desire for fantasy empowerment).  But I was offering with a very similar use of magical power a very different approach to play and had very different expections.  Indeed, at the time I did it in the early 90's, I had no language for even discussing the issues in this thread.</p></blockquote><p></p>

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