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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6100818" data-attributes="member: 4937">On another note, if we are going to continue to discuss this, can we please get a different example?  I'm tired of beating up on Hussar.   I've been wracking my brain for a good example so people can get out the rubber hoses on me, but as I said 90% of the time I'm the DM, so lots of cases of surprising the DM don't come to mind and most of the time when I think of surprising the DM or being surprised as the DM it isn't ever the sort of mechanical/rules surprises we've been discussing so far, but over something much more basic - unexpected RP direction.For example, in a short lived campaign I was in once, I played a 1st level Dwarf thief named 'Ogden Mudstump'.  In an early encounter, we were going down the road when we were attacked by goblins.  I won initiative.  I had 3 hit points.  The goblins had javelins and short bows, either of which could one shot me.  On my declaration I said, "I raise my hand in greeting and call out in Goblin, "Well met, friends.  Have you come to trade?  We have goods here, we'll trade with you for a good price, because we didn't pay for them."  (Or something of the sort, I don't remember the exact words.)   The DM's lower jaw hit the table.  So did the jaw of every player at the table.   There was a few seconds of stunned silence.   No one had the slightest idea how to deal with me trying to RP with a goblin.  On about round three or four, one of the other players decided to ambush the goblins now that they were distracted by negotiating what bribe they'd accept to let us go on without being molested.  I spent the battle trying to avoid getting killed by the outraged goblin leader after we had broke faith with him in the middle of a truce (all the time thinking in my head, "Well, I guess that clearly makes us the monsters.")In my effort to avoid combat as a weak first level character, it was a pretty good bet that I'd broken an unspoken table rule - monsters exist to be killed and to take their stuff.</blockquote>

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