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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6101167" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>N'raac - The one key element that you are ignoring in all of this is that <u>the group had a clear goal</u>. It wasn't skipping the scene simply because this scene happens not to be all that interesting. It's skipping this scene because I am invested in the next one. </p><p></p><p>I <u>know</u> that I want to get to the next scene. That's where the goal is. That's what I want to do. </p><p></p><p>Which brings me around to the opening lines of Celebrim's wall of text where he mentions skipping 3-5 scenes. Sorry, that's never been something I said. I said I wanted to skip <u>THIS</u> bit of minutia where we have to detail how we rig up saddles, roll several skill checks (presumably use rope, ride, possibly Nature (depending on edition)) and, because the entire party has to make these checks, fail pretty much automatically.</p><p></p><p>That's what I wanted to skip.</p><p></p><p>Same goes with the recruitment scene. Again, there is a clear goal. It's not a secret. Spending an hour of table time making small talk with a number of NPC's who are never intended to be important - they should be around for one single encounter and then go away - is getting in the way of that goal.</p><p></p><p>SO, N'raac - it's not about skipping stuff that's boring. It's about skipping stuff that's boring when there are clear goals in sight. I mean, even if we found caves on the way to the city, we wouldn't stop. Why would we? We're not tourists. We're not interested in this location. We want to be at the city. The only reason we're not at the city is because of the way Plane Shift works. Given the choice, we would have gone straight to the city and never even entered the desert in the first place.</p><p></p><p>When your players have clear goals, do you routinely set up obstacle after obstacle to prevent them from reaching those goals?</p><p></p><p>-------</p><p></p><p>Celebrim, I'm sorry, I got through about the first three paragraphs of what you wrote, and my eyes glazed over. I have no idea what you wrote. Can someone give me the Coles Notes version?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6101167, member: 22779"] N'raac - The one key element that you are ignoring in all of this is that [u]the group had a clear goal[/u]. It wasn't skipping the scene simply because this scene happens not to be all that interesting. It's skipping this scene because I am invested in the next one. I [u]know[/u] that I want to get to the next scene. That's where the goal is. That's what I want to do. Which brings me around to the opening lines of Celebrim's wall of text where he mentions skipping 3-5 scenes. Sorry, that's never been something I said. I said I wanted to skip [u]THIS[/u] bit of minutia where we have to detail how we rig up saddles, roll several skill checks (presumably use rope, ride, possibly Nature (depending on edition)) and, because the entire party has to make these checks, fail pretty much automatically. That's what I wanted to skip. Same goes with the recruitment scene. Again, there is a clear goal. It's not a secret. Spending an hour of table time making small talk with a number of NPC's who are never intended to be important - they should be around for one single encounter and then go away - is getting in the way of that goal. SO, N'raac - it's not about skipping stuff that's boring. It's about skipping stuff that's boring when there are clear goals in sight. I mean, even if we found caves on the way to the city, we wouldn't stop. Why would we? We're not tourists. We're not interested in this location. We want to be at the city. The only reason we're not at the city is because of the way Plane Shift works. Given the choice, we would have gone straight to the city and never even entered the desert in the first place. When your players have clear goals, do you routinely set up obstacle after obstacle to prevent them from reaching those goals? ------- Celebrim, I'm sorry, I got through about the first three paragraphs of what you wrote, and my eyes glazed over. I have no idea what you wrote. Can someone give me the Coles Notes version? [/QUOTE]
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