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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6105245" data-attributes="member: 4937">I'm beginning to see a pattern here.  All these scenes falling apart after plane shifting are making me think that the spell is extremely disruptive to a campaign because it puts the DM in a position that he can't prep for well, and running a wilderness adventure well is hard.It sounds to me like there was a lack of clarity regarding what the players wanted.  On the other hand, I think that probably some of the hooks you offered were weak, and you made the mistake of depending on player behavior some of which seems to me a bit of a stretch.   But I do find it interesting that the players got interested again simply because you offered up a random combat.  Players come in all types.  It's hard to tell from this removed of a distance what the players really wanted, if they even could have clearly communicated it.   If they got interested in what was more or less a wandering monster encounter, then it sorta suggests that they would have been perfectly happy with 'big game hunting safari in the mountains' and part of the problem with your hooks is that things like bears, wolves, and soldiers aren't the sort of fantastic opponents that they were interested in.  I wonder what might have happened had been a Treant that was the companion of the Druid (also, can talk, it's good to have talking NPCs), ice drakes carrying backpacks, and the army marching to the keep had been mounted on mammoths and accompanied by frost giants?  It could be you just needed to engage their sense of wonder more.   Hard to say.   Players can be really fickle sometimes.</blockquote>

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