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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6105604" data-attributes="member: 22779">It was Shackled City Adventure Path.  Can't remember which module.  It has been some years.And, I would say that you are spot on Jacob Marley.  The context might matter if we were trying to fix this specific situation, and, of course, I know that no matter how much context I provide, some people will simply turn it around to say that I'm being a bad player.Why is the context so important?  The player doesn't want to play out this scene.  Not every scene.  Not even other similar scenes.  Just this one.  Why does it matter why he doesn't want to play this out?  He's the one in the spotlight, so it's not a spotlight issue.  There are clear goals that the players care about right there.  It's not like exploring the desert was the goal.If it was, then I would have been totally in the wrong.  If, for example, we were trying to find a lost city in the desert, and I wanted to skip over the desert, then I would agree, totally a bad player.  But, that's not the situation.  We had a clear goal that we wanted to reach.  Everything that we needed to move the plot forward was in that city.  We knew that.  Well, at the very least, the information we had said that everything we needed was in that city.In other words, if the party wants to throw the One Ring into Mount Doom, and the party knows exactly where the Mount Doom is, and states that they aren't interested in anything but throwing the Ring into Mount Doom, why are we screwing around with Tom Bombadil?The other scenes?  Moria, Helm's Deep, etc?  Ok, I can totally see how they are related to achieving Mount Doom.  But Tom Bombadil?  I don't care.  I think that the movies got it right by cutting him out.  I think that Tolkien was desperately in need of an editor who would have cut about a third out of the LoTR.  Yes, I know that's heretical, but, I do know that I skip pretty large swaths of the books when I read them and I couldn't even force myself to finish the Silmarillion.  My entire point through this thread is to cut out the Tom Bombadil scenes from your campaigns.  If the ride checks on the centipede are so easy that a Take 10 lets you bypass them, don't bother.  Just move on.  Note, that was the part I was talking about when I said I get a bit testy about DM's who do this.  That morphed into a whole bunch of other stuff, and that's probably my fault for not being clearer.  But, it's cutting out the superfluous stuff that really doesn't matter.  Is learning that Warrior 1 Biff's goal in life is to marry his sweetheart going to help me kill the grell?  No?  Then why are you telling me?  I don't care.</blockquote>

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