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Message: <blockquote data-quote="chaochou" data-source="post: 6111795" data-attributes="member: 99817">This is exactly what you deny beliefs do. So now you've do a total reversal to entirely agree with everything I've posted and still try and claim I'm wrong. Hurrah!And in an continued effort to try to prove I'm so wrong you cite an example of play where the player's belief is the absolute central driver to everything that's happening in play. Which is what I said beliefs did and which you categorically denied.And to prove it, oh, you've created an example of play where a challenge to the player's belief is the central idea to the entire scene.Your example of play is, funnily, in complete accordance with everything I've said and which you've attempted to reject. Congratulations.And we're back to the hall of mirrors. If the GMs reaction is 'That's ridiculous' then their prejudices and assumptions are what's distorting the game.Burning Wheel says 'Say yes or roll the dice' remember? Where's my dice roll to be king? And until I've made my dice roll, how can anyone at the table say I'm not?</blockquote>