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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6115036" data-attributes="member: 4937">We don't even have to go that far a field.   Next to the Trojan War, one of the most famous seige scenarios in literature is the story of 'Leiningen Versus the Ants', where the beseiging army is well, a bunch of ants.   The fact that the army is impacable ants doesn't make the seige less interesting or dramatic if the viewpoint of the character is resisting the ants - quite the contrary.  But from the standpoint of a character that is trying to recover a bag of coffee beans from Leningen's plantation in the midst of the seige, the 'endless' plain of ants is just a harsh environmental hazard and the seige is relevant only to the extent that they decide to help Leningen out.  A magical party could just fly in and out and be utterly unconcerned with the seige.In terms of an Abysmal seige however, the likeliest and expected state is that there are no commanders - this is after all the planar embodiment of chaos and disorder and commanders imply organization and authority.   However, like any assumption that could be wrong.   The seige could be staged by some fiendish lord bullying minor fiends into doing his bidding - maybe Grazz't or Orcus is present in the assault.   And while an Abysmal seige might tend to lead us to believe that none of our assumptions are reliable, it's worth nothing that none of our assumptions about the seige are necessarily reliable.  It was suggested early in the thread that the city is besieged by zombies, which implies the assumptions of commanders or meaningful social interaction with the beseigers could be false.</blockquote>

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