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<blockquote data-quote="sheadunne" data-source="post: 6120296" data-attributes="member: 27570"><p>Plot is the series of events leading to a conclusion,. Overthrowing tyranny is the plot. The events that lead to the conclusion show to progression toward that plot. The entire point of having the events happen is to reach the conclusion, which is overthrowing tyranny. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It seems that part of my sentence got removed or unedited or something. </p><p></p><p>Overcoming is a verb that indicates action. The plot is overcoming tyranny. Each event (plot point) supports this action and moves us closer to the conclusion of overcoming tyranny.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But it is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The story outline will mention those things, but the plot outline doesn't need to. I'm simply removing plot completely from story. Story without plot is simply a collection of random events that don't lead anywhere particular. Plot without story is a outline without detail, only indicating action toward the conclusion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would say that's a mix of story and plot and rather specific with details that aren't necessary. A plot outline when removed from story might look like this . . . the () indicates anticipated response the author is trying to achieve from the audience to reach the conclusion of the plot.</p><p></p><p>Action Scene (Excitement)</p><p>Background Scene (Informational)</p><p>Exploration Scene (Curiosity)</p><p>Meeting Scene (Happiness)</p><p>Transition Scene (Informational)</p><p>Action Scene (Suspense)</p><p>Rescue Scene (Excitement)</p><p>Transition Scene (Relief)</p><p>Loss Scene (Sadness)</p><p>Recovery Scene (Acceptance)</p><p>Action Scene (Suspense)</p><p>Celebration Scene (Rejoice)</p><p></p><p>That for me is the plot outline. You tend to see this over and over again in movies (especially action movies). The plot itself for this outline will be overthrowing tyrant. Everything else is story and setting. Sure you can fill it in with story and setting elements, but it's not necessary to see how the plot will progress.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See above. I'm not disagreeing with you that story and setting are connected and that changing one won't reflect on the other, only that changing the story does not change the plot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It would most certainly change the story, but not the plot. It might not be the most useful story/setting to reflect the plot, but there it is. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sheadunne, post: 6120296, member: 27570"] Plot is the series of events leading to a conclusion,. Overthrowing tyranny is the plot. The events that lead to the conclusion show to progression toward that plot. The entire point of having the events happen is to reach the conclusion, which is overthrowing tyranny. It seems that part of my sentence got removed or unedited or something. Overcoming is a verb that indicates action. The plot is overcoming tyranny. Each event (plot point) supports this action and moves us closer to the conclusion of overcoming tyranny. But it is. The story outline will mention those things, but the plot outline doesn't need to. I'm simply removing plot completely from story. Story without plot is simply a collection of random events that don't lead anywhere particular. Plot without story is a outline without detail, only indicating action toward the conclusion. I would say that's a mix of story and plot and rather specific with details that aren't necessary. A plot outline when removed from story might look like this . . . the () indicates anticipated response the author is trying to achieve from the audience to reach the conclusion of the plot. Action Scene (Excitement) Background Scene (Informational) Exploration Scene (Curiosity) Meeting Scene (Happiness) Transition Scene (Informational) Action Scene (Suspense) Rescue Scene (Excitement) Transition Scene (Relief) Loss Scene (Sadness) Recovery Scene (Acceptance) Action Scene (Suspense) Celebration Scene (Rejoice) That for me is the plot outline. You tend to see this over and over again in movies (especially action movies). The plot itself for this outline will be overthrowing tyrant. Everything else is story and setting. Sure you can fill it in with story and setting elements, but it's not necessary to see how the plot will progress. See above. I'm not disagreeing with you that story and setting are connected and that changing one won't reflect on the other, only that changing the story does not change the plot. It would most certainly change the story, but not the plot. It might not be the most useful story/setting to reflect the plot, but there it is. :) [/QUOTE]
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