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Yugoloths: Do They Have an Identity Beyond the Blood War?
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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 7428714" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>The 'loths had a massive amount of detail and in-game history fleshed out during 2e, and late 3.x played with a lot of that planar prehistory in which the 'loths created the other original fiend races (the obyriths and ancient baatorians). Unfortunately 4e nuked them as a fiendish race entirely, and 5e when it has given them attention has virtually ignored their earlier, highly detailed material presented in Planescape (or outright contradicted it, such as the MM suggesting that they were created by Asmodeus and night hags, when in Planescape the 'loths vastly predate both of those) in favor of a mix of 1e and watered down 4e content.</p><p></p><p>I hope that things improve and that rich lore is taken into consideration, but for the moment it's not being touched. MToF for instance at first reading from me doesn't appear to specifically reference any history from Planescape for any of the fiend races, 'loths, demons, devils, etc. The Oinoloth is also reduced from the unique, godlike ruler of Khin-Oin to a CR12 generic yugoloth, and the book doubles down on 'all tieflings are only devil-blooded like in 4e'. I'm puzzled and disappointed to say the least that while 5e has seemed to want to make an outreach to prior settings, at least for Planescape it has mostly ignored or contradicted that setting's lore. There's ways to rectify that obviously, but the design focus thus far for the 5e planes has very much not favored Planescape content.</p><p></p><p>Personally I'd present the planar content in MToF as a mixture of Mordenkainen having been wrong as a mortal regarding the history of the planes, or since the book was in-game stolen and presented by Shemeshka the Marauder, Sigil's best yugoloth had every incentive to joyously lie and fabricate false content that botched actual history and utterly downplayed the yugoloths. That's what I'd go with, otherwise you'd have to assume that the original Planescape sources just weren't considered.</p><p></p><p>And if you have the time to read a few thousand pages of fiction, my storyhour here on Enworld since 2003 or so is focused on yugoloth politics with a heavy dose of planar prehistory. A number of unique yugoloths, high rank arcanaloths, ultroloths, and specific baernaloths comprise the primary villains from the campaign.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 7428714, member: 11697"] The 'loths had a massive amount of detail and in-game history fleshed out during 2e, and late 3.x played with a lot of that planar prehistory in which the 'loths created the other original fiend races (the obyriths and ancient baatorians). Unfortunately 4e nuked them as a fiendish race entirely, and 5e when it has given them attention has virtually ignored their earlier, highly detailed material presented in Planescape (or outright contradicted it, such as the MM suggesting that they were created by Asmodeus and night hags, when in Planescape the 'loths vastly predate both of those) in favor of a mix of 1e and watered down 4e content. I hope that things improve and that rich lore is taken into consideration, but for the moment it's not being touched. MToF for instance at first reading from me doesn't appear to specifically reference any history from Planescape for any of the fiend races, 'loths, demons, devils, etc. The Oinoloth is also reduced from the unique, godlike ruler of Khin-Oin to a CR12 generic yugoloth, and the book doubles down on 'all tieflings are only devil-blooded like in 4e'. I'm puzzled and disappointed to say the least that while 5e has seemed to want to make an outreach to prior settings, at least for Planescape it has mostly ignored or contradicted that setting's lore. There's ways to rectify that obviously, but the design focus thus far for the 5e planes has very much not favored Planescape content. Personally I'd present the planar content in MToF as a mixture of Mordenkainen having been wrong as a mortal regarding the history of the planes, or since the book was in-game stolen and presented by Shemeshka the Marauder, Sigil's best yugoloth had every incentive to joyously lie and fabricate false content that botched actual history and utterly downplayed the yugoloths. That's what I'd go with, otherwise you'd have to assume that the original Planescape sources just weren't considered. And if you have the time to read a few thousand pages of fiction, my storyhour here on Enworld since 2003 or so is focused on yugoloth politics with a heavy dose of planar prehistory. A number of unique yugoloths, high rank arcanaloths, ultroloths, and specific baernaloths comprise the primary villains from the campaign. [/QUOTE]
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