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<blockquote data-quote="Settembrini" data-source="post: 4488148" data-attributes="member: 40571">Now you are constructing something, jdrakeh. I don´t have a dislike for ENnworld, just one for CM, 4e and Teflon Billy. But apart from that, I visit and enjoy ENnworld every day, and link to it regularly. Out of the thingws above 4e has curbed my enthusiasm sorely, but I´m not alone and the ed wars have definitely changed these boards for the worse, no matter if you are pro 4e or anti whatever.Everyone can download the files via rapidshare or something similiar, and I only used pundit´s site because he already hosted them.Anyway, . Well, but what happened actually?Nothing! The policy was not altered retroactively.The error was not made public to the interested parties (voters &amp; competitors).The award was not revoked.So, what do you call that? I call that misinformation to cover up a mistake. And that´s lying in my book.There also was a blatant lie:The official statement that link-submissions weren´t allowed. Where in fact for certain games they WERE allowed last year.As much as I can understand the sympathy many people have towards the ENnie staff, because they hang around together a lot, there are things that have gone pretty wrong.Not only on the process but in the mindset of the ENnies regulars (=CM-clique).And this is the &quot;scandal&quot; from my point of view, not that some mistake happened, but the way it was treated: cover up operations@El Mahdi: It´s basically irrelevant to our discussion if the sources are &quot;legal&quot;. Is it &quot;legal&quot; for some internet dudes to threaten Zach´s family? Because that´s what happened before Zach went public with the eMails. he was attacked by many hate mails, threats included. Both things are a breach of etiquette, both are petty &amp; irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. I think making it possible for everyone to review the evidence himself is a great boon. It keeps the discussion grounded on facts and their interpretation instead of wild speculation and accusation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Settembrini, post: 4488148, member: 40571"] Now you are constructing something, jdrakeh. I don´t have a dislike for ENnworld, just one for CM, 4e and Teflon Billy. But apart from that, I visit and enjoy ENnworld every day, and link to it regularly. Out of the thingws above 4e has curbed my enthusiasm sorely, but I´m not alone and the ed wars have definitely changed these boards for the worse, no matter if you are pro 4e or anti whatever. Everyone can download the files via rapidshare or something similiar, and I only used pundit´s site because he already hosted them. Anyway, . Well, but what happened actually? Nothing! The policy was not altered retroactively. The error was not made public to the interested parties (voters & competitors). The award was not revoked. So, what do you call that? I call that misinformation to cover up a mistake. And that´s lying in my book. There also was a blatant lie: The official statement that link-submissions weren´t allowed. Where in fact for certain games they WERE allowed last year. As much as I can understand the sympathy many people have towards the ENnie staff, because they hang around together a lot, there are things that have gone pretty wrong. Not only on the process but in the mindset of the ENnies regulars (=CM-clique). And this is the "scandal" from my point of view, not that some mistake happened, but the way it was treated: cover up operations @El Mahdi: It´s basically irrelevant to our discussion if the sources are "legal". Is it "legal" for some internet dudes to threaten Zach´s family? Because that´s what happened before Zach went public with the eMails. he was attacked by many hate mails, threats included. Both things are a breach of etiquette, both are petty & irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. I think making it possible for everyone to review the evidence himself is a great boon. It keeps the discussion grounded on facts and their interpretation instead of wild speculation and accusation. [/QUOTE]

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