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<blockquote data-quote="Andrew Moreton" data-source="post: 9055238" data-attributes="member: 6920268"><p>I don't know about 4th ed.</p><p>Pathfinder unlike as far as I can tell 5th ed had a sensible system for determining roughly what equipment a character would have by level. Traditionally this is aquired by loot which is not terribly appropriate for the pc's in this campaign so to get their expected equipment the RHC gives each constable a stipend to get that equipment so its just a necessary thing to keep characters up to date.</p><p>How you apply this to 5th ed which as far as I can tell has abandoned the idea of giving guidance on how much magic a character should have or any idea of the price for buying selling items I am afraid is up to you. My recomendation would be to use pathfinder as all of these things are straight forward. Sorry if my negative opions of 5th ed are coming through</p><p>Great campaign so persevere</p><p></p><p>These bits seem less rule system based so I can give opinion</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I'm curious about whether DMs curate a list of possible choices, or just let players requisition what they want?</li> </ul><p>I just let players pick what they want, I would veto an item I believed would break the game or be wildly innapropriate but that never came up. I allowed magical machine guns and field guns to the Goblin in a steam suit. When they went to drakr they stashed an infantry company and field guns in the absurdist web which helped kill the frost giants quite nicely</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I'm a little confused on how the Prestige rules work in relation to magic items. Under "Requisitioning Equipment" in the ZPG, it says that constables can get the following items with "a few weeks' downtime between missions." So, the players need to requisition items before they necessarily know their missions?</li> </ul><p>Treat the requisition and prestige rules as guideline , very , very flexible guidelines. I just used them as a guideline, I would let players requisition things at sensible points of each adventure. IF it is an item the military or other authorities would have available they can hav it , likewise a squad of ordinary soldiers. If they want a powerful item or bigger force then it needs preplanning. I also offerred assistance based on prestige on several occassions if it seemed appropriate rather than forcing the players to ask the Fey or Dockers for aid</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">How do the charts under "Requisitioning Equipment" jive with the charts under "Using Prestige"? How am I supposed to parse the section that says "Use the Favor levels listed below as a guideline to determine how long it would take to receive the item?" What's the boundary on the level of magic item that can be requested? (My read would be that a character with Prestige 4 could requisition a Legendary magic item and have it delivered in a month--or in a week if they make a Persuasion check (DC 22).) And by the end of Adventure 5 (8th level), the PCs could have Prestige 5 and be requesting Legendary items (Staff of the Magi, Vorpal sword, etc.) to be delivered in one day? I feel like I'm missing something here.</li> </ul><p>Base it off the game and the players level, also the cost of the item, (I am not all that familair withthe system) so I would not in any circumstances give an 8th level pathfinder pc a staff of the magi. Such an item would be part of the royal regalia for when there is a mage king it is way , way to rare and expensive to give to someone like that. A 15th level character (i.e someone about as powerful as the monarch) may be able to get something like that on loan, but by that time they are the country so if they want powerful items they should have them as part of their standard wealth.</p><p>I limited requisition to one use or speciality items Potions, or underwater combat gear which elite units would have and the pc's would not need on a reagular basis. Likewise at the low end quick requisition they get regular infantry or cavalry from the garrison, with time or higher level and prestige they can get SEAL team 6 (Selkie commando;s), field artillery , elven rangers or warmages.</p><p>Use your judgement and don't give players things you will regret</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Andrew Moreton, post: 9055238, member: 6920268"] I don't know about 4th ed. Pathfinder unlike as far as I can tell 5th ed had a sensible system for determining roughly what equipment a character would have by level. Traditionally this is aquired by loot which is not terribly appropriate for the pc's in this campaign so to get their expected equipment the RHC gives each constable a stipend to get that equipment so its just a necessary thing to keep characters up to date. How you apply this to 5th ed which as far as I can tell has abandoned the idea of giving guidance on how much magic a character should have or any idea of the price for buying selling items I am afraid is up to you. My recomendation would be to use pathfinder as all of these things are straight forward. Sorry if my negative opions of 5th ed are coming through Great campaign so persevere These bits seem less rule system based so I can give opinion [LIST] [*]I'm curious about whether DMs curate a list of possible choices, or just let players requisition what they want? [/LIST] I just let players pick what they want, I would veto an item I believed would break the game or be wildly innapropriate but that never came up. I allowed magical machine guns and field guns to the Goblin in a steam suit. When they went to drakr they stashed an infantry company and field guns in the absurdist web which helped kill the frost giants quite nicely [LIST] [*]I'm a little confused on how the Prestige rules work in relation to magic items. Under "Requisitioning Equipment" in the ZPG, it says that constables can get the following items with "a few weeks' downtime between missions." So, the players need to requisition items before they necessarily know their missions? [/LIST] Treat the requisition and prestige rules as guideline , very , very flexible guidelines. I just used them as a guideline, I would let players requisition things at sensible points of each adventure. IF it is an item the military or other authorities would have available they can hav it , likewise a squad of ordinary soldiers. If they want a powerful item or bigger force then it needs preplanning. I also offerred assistance based on prestige on several occassions if it seemed appropriate rather than forcing the players to ask the Fey or Dockers for aid [LIST] [*]How do the charts under "Requisitioning Equipment" jive with the charts under "Using Prestige"? How am I supposed to parse the section that says "Use the Favor levels listed below as a guideline to determine how long it would take to receive the item?" What's the boundary on the level of magic item that can be requested? (My read would be that a character with Prestige 4 could requisition a Legendary magic item and have it delivered in a month--or in a week if they make a Persuasion check (DC 22).) And by the end of Adventure 5 (8th level), the PCs could have Prestige 5 and be requesting Legendary items (Staff of the Magi, Vorpal sword, etc.) to be delivered in one day? I feel like I'm missing something here. [/LIST] Base it off the game and the players level, also the cost of the item, (I am not all that familair withthe system) so I would not in any circumstances give an 8th level pathfinder pc a staff of the magi. Such an item would be part of the royal regalia for when there is a mage king it is way , way to rare and expensive to give to someone like that. A 15th level character (i.e someone about as powerful as the monarch) may be able to get something like that on loan, but by that time they are the country so if they want powerful items they should have them as part of their standard wealth. I limited requisition to one use or speciality items Potions, or underwater combat gear which elite units would have and the pc's would not need on a reagular basis. Likewise at the low end quick requisition they get regular infantry or cavalry from the garrison, with time or higher level and prestige they can get SEAL team 6 (Selkie commando;s), field artillery , elven rangers or warmages. Use your judgement and don't give players things you will regret [/QUOTE]
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