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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7188924" data-attributes="member: 6787650">If this were AD&amp;D I'd agree with you. Saving throws in 5E though... aside from the mechanics, I have no idea what they're supposed to represent. They usually don't require you to do any of the things I'd associate with successfully employing a counterstrategy, e.g. a successful Dex save vs red dragon breath does not involve or cost movement or even your reaction, nor leave you prone.In this specific instance, the saving throw vs ZoT does not require you to answer in true-but-ambiguous ways, like &quot;Yes&quot; to the &quot;wrong&quot; question. You can straight-up lie and say, &quot;I shot the sheriff and his deputy and no that dress doesn't make you look fat&quot;, and the spell won't stop you. If you fail the save you'd have to be more clever, e.g. &quot;I wasn't there when the sheriff and his deputy were brutally murdered by an unknown assailant; that dress is all right but I really like the way this other dress matches your hair.&quot;Making the saving throw means you don't have to be clever, you can just brute-force it.Sent from my Moto G (4) using <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=93205" target="_blank">EN World mobile app</a></blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 7188924, member: 6787650"] If this were AD&D I'd agree with you. Saving throws in 5E though... aside from the mechanics, I have no idea what they're supposed to represent. They usually don't require you to do any of the things I'd associate with successfully employing a counterstrategy, e.g. a successful Dex save vs red dragon breath does not involve or cost movement or even your reaction, nor leave you prone. In this specific instance, the saving throw vs ZoT does not require you to answer in true-but-ambiguous ways, like "Yes" to the "wrong" question. You can straight-up lie and say, "I shot the sheriff and his deputy and no that dress doesn't make you look fat", and the spell won't stop you. If you fail the save you'd have to be more clever, e.g. "I wasn't there when the sheriff and his deputy were brutally murdered by an unknown assailant; that dress is all right but I really like the way this other dress matches your hair." Making the saving throw means you don't have to be clever, you can just brute-force it. Sent from my Moto G (4) using [URL=http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=93205]EN World mobile app[/URL] [/QUOTE]

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