4E Dyeing Multiple Times BEFORE the 3 milestones are completed

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The Bluemanarc

First Post

• Mar 16, 2018

• #1

Do Death penalties stack for dyeing multiple times.

We have had one occasion in the past where some one died a second time before completing their 3 milestones.

So DM applied a -2 to all rolls, being affected twice by this death penalty.

And now we just had a very bad battle, where someone died 3 times, one twice, and one or two just once.

Do these penalties stack and one PC will be on -3 to all rolls for 3 milestones.

 

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pemerton

Legend

• Mar 16, 2018

• #2

The Bluemanarc said:

Do Death penalties stack for dyeing multiple times.

We have had one occasion in the past where some one died a second time before completing their 3 milestones.

So DM applied a -2 to all rolls, being affected twice by this death penalty.

And now we just had a very bad battle, where someone died 3 times, one twice, and one or two just once.

Do these penalties stack and one PC will be on -3 to all rolls for 3 milestones.

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I don't think the rules cover this.

My own inclination would be to extend the number of milestones required, rather than to increase the penalty.

 

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The Bluemanarc

First Post

• Mar 16, 2018

• #3

Its also complicated further by one of those Deaths being from the "Bloodcrystal Raven Skull" which stops PC from dyeing.
But imposes -1 penalty to rolls until 1 milestone is met.

This is Epic battles obviously where you can die and be brought back multiple times in a battle through Cleric powers, ED powers and magic items.

You would think it would be covered, if they intended for them to be stacked.
Personally I never considered the possibility of stacking them.

I mean you kill someone 20 times, they are still dead, does killing them another time make a difference.
The amount of times you may be "Dyeing" in a battle below zero and brought back to above 1 HP doesn't affect your Death Saving Throw.

Disclaimer:
I was one of the lucky few who did not die in this nasty battle.

 

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Autongnosis

First Post

• Mar 19, 2018

• #4

Well, going by rules compendium penalties from the same named game element do not stack so i'd assume the intent was for the death penalty to not stack. And i cannot find anything about the milestones.
Honestly going by logic i'd say that it's either a) it resets the number of milestones get rid of the penalty to 3 if you had less left or b) it adds 3 more milestones before you can get rid of the penalty.

What definitely shouldn't happen is to have the penalties stack.

 

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VinAlanson

First Post

• Mar 23, 2018

• #5

I found this ritual, Easy Spirit, which suggests your death penalty can be higher that -1 and therefore stack.
"You designate one creature adjacent to you that is currently affected by a death penalty, such as that gained from the Raise Dead ritual. This ritual lessens the subject’s death penalty by 1."

 

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The Bluemanarc

First Post

• Mar 24, 2018

• #6

VinAlanson said:

I found this ritual, Easy Spirit, which suggests your death penalty can be higher that -1 and therefore stack.
"You designate one creature adjacent to you that is currently affected by a death penalty, such as that gained from the Raise Dead ritual. This ritual lessens the subject’s death penalty by 1."

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Yep but I am pretty sure this doesn't apply to Goliaths.
Goliaths are not weak puny Orks like Orkus the fatty, only one penalty can stack on a Goliath.