Revised GSL TODAY!

[Orcus]

So after they made all the changes, people are still not happy?

Look, there are things that werent changed that I think should have been changed. So dont condescendingly say that since they deigned to make some changes that everyone has to be happy. That isnt the end of the analysis.

I think it was a mistake not to make some of the additional changes and some other things.

But that said, I now view the GSL as an acceptable license and I will be accepting it and using it and supporting 4E. That doesnt mean I have to like everything about it. I dont. But it is now acceptable to me for use.

Clark

 

[Ourph]

I agree, actually. Much as I love and support all the other changes, I do wish this could've been dealt with as well. Sometimes, an adventure just needs an orc or a red dragon.

It's not even remotely a deal-breaker, though. (And it's not like there's no precedent, in gaming history, for modules that require you to flip open the MM now and again.) I don't find it to be that big of a deal; just a slight itch, really.

If occurs to me that this would be a great way to create synergy between the online initiative and 3PP licensees. For 3PP adventures using core monsters or NPCs with core powers, WotC could allow those publishers to use the encounter builder and character generator to create pre-generated, downloadable encounter sheets for their adventures. Insider subscribers could then log on and download ready-made encounter sheets for the adventure they just bought, with all the stats right there on each sheet.

It would allow 3PPs to make their adventures more user-friendly for their customers while increasing the usefulness and desirability of Insider for a whole new group of people.

 

[TarionzCousin]

anyone have the old one? i would like to do a word by word comparison.

What are you, a lawyer?

Spoiler

Welcome to the Internet. May I take your coat?

Your method of coat-taking is BadWrongFun.

But that said, I now view the GSL as an acceptable license and I will be accepting it and using it and supporting 4E. That doesnt mean I have to like everything about it. I dont. But it is now acceptable to me for use.

That's good news for those of us who love your stuff and are playing 4E.

 

[Orcus]

I...but good business sense should tell you that the OGL was too good.

I wish people would stop saying that like it is true. That is not true, no matter how many times people say it.

 

[renau1g]

If occurs to me that this would be a great way to create synergy between the online initiative and 3PP licensees. For 3PP adventures using core monsters or NPCs with core powers, WotC could allow those publishers to use the encounter builder and character generator to create pre-generated, downloadable encounter sheets for their adventures. Insider subscribers could then log on and download ready-made encounter sheets for the adventure they just bought, with all the stats right there on each sheet.

It would allow 3PPs to make their adventures more user-friendly for their customers while increasing the usefulness and desirability of Insider for a whole new group of people.

Except it would force me to buy DDI? Not too happy about that...

At least some of the 3PP's are saying it's acceptable (Looking forward to Necromancer Games )and we can get some more products out there.

 

[Nylanfs]

Personally I would have to see good defined in order to say that something is "too" good.

 

[Vanuslux]

I'm not saying that.

It's just the impression I get is "This is a great improvement, it's fixed lots of problems! But you won't catch me signing it because it's not good enough."

There doesn't seem to be very many of those and even if there were...so what? It's a business decision and some people are more adventurous (or reckless depending on one's perspective) than others. There are people's livelihoods on the line and a single bad decision can sink a small company...so I can hardly fault those that are still wary even in light of the much better GSL.

Of course, that's easy for me to say when all but one of the publishers I care about have signed onto the GSL.

 

[Orcus]

I agree, actually. Much as I love and support all the other changes, I do wish this could've been dealt with as well. Sometimes, an adventure just needs an orc or a red dragon.

It's not even remotely a deal-breaker, though. (And it's not like there's no precedent, in gaming history, for modules that require you to flip open the MM now and again.) I don't find it to be that big of a deal; just a slight itch, really.

I fought hard for that change (just ask Scott, I think I bent his ear for nearly an hour on this issue alone some months ago). It makes sense to make the change. But we lost that one. Like you, I wish it would have been fixed but its not a deal breaker.

Scott, if you are reading this, thanks and good work. I put my faith and trust in you and I knew you would deliver becuase you believe in doing what is best for D&D no matter whether it is hard or unpopular or whether you get blasted on these boards (many of whom here owe him an apology for saying it wouldnt happen), and I firmly believe a vibrant 3P support is good for D&D. So thank you. You are the man!

Clark

 

[Thasmodious]

I just pointed out as objectively as I could the potential risks in the new GSL for businesses who want to use it.

I have to question the "objectively" part. It would seem pretty standard, if being objective, to mention that the first two parts of your criticism of the license - that WotC can change it at any time or cancel it - are quite standard clauses for many such licenses, including the OGL and the licenses for most every videogame open to modding.

 

[Ourph]

Except it would force me to buy DDI? Not too happy about that...

Not at all. If you didn't want to subscribe to the DDI, you could still use those adventures, you'd just have to own the book the adventure references in order to look up the statblock or power (which is what you have to do now if you don't have a DDI subscription). It's just that DDI subscribers would get the added bonus of being able to download an expansion for their 3PP adventure with all the monsters and powers that the 3PPs can't reprint on reference sheets. Theoretically, DDI subscribers could do this on their own, anyway. My idea is to let the 3PPs do the work for their customers and then distribute the reference sheets through the DDI.