Pathfinder 1E Pathfinder outselling D&D

[Raven Crowking]

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[Alzrius]

Even if WotC did pull the plug on all the online 4e content, we'd know in advance it was happening. Someone will throw together a dump of the most complete Compendium data and it'll show up somewhere online.

Mark my words: you will be able to get ahold of all of 4e's rules content online even if WotC shuts down their own 4e support.

You really don't have anything to fear, except perhaps losing access to the Character Builder.

We know this is true because of WotC's history in this regard. Remember how they told us in advance that they were pulling PDF sales?

 

[Maggan]

We know this is true because of WotC's history in this regard. Remember how they told us in advance that they were pulling PDF sales?

I believe it's a bit more complicated to pull a subscription service with zero notice.

/M

 

[IronWolf]

I believe it's a bit more complicated to pull a subscription service with zero notice.

Not that much more complicated though providing they are willing to provide refunds for paid ahead months.

 

[IronWolf]

Even if WotC did pull the plug on all the online 4e content, we'd know in advance it was happening. Someone will throw together a dump of the most complete Compendium data and it'll show up somewhere online.

Mark my words: you will be able to get ahold of all of 4e's rules content online even if WotC shuts down their own 4e support.

Isn't the content under copyright? If WotC pulled the online content and was still in existence I suspect they would strongly consider protecting that interest. If it wasn't them, then perhaps a company that acquired WotC would be interested in protecting that property.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Isn't the content under copyright? If WotC pulled the online content and was still in existence I suspect they would strongly consider protecting that interest. If it wasn't them, then perhaps a company that acquired WotC would be interested in protecting that property.

I am sure they will protect their ip but in this day and age its pretty hard to completely stop online sharing. Even our products are being uploaded and downloaded for free online, and we are about as small as a game company can be. I imagine 4e is already available online for free and will continue to be after they stop producing it.

 

[IronWolf]

Now if Paizo created a killer VTT, or partnered with the PCGen and MapTool folks, and made the app available for Mac OS, iOS, and Windows, THEN we're talking!

MapTool with the right Pathfinder framework works really well for online Pathfinder games. Using either PCGen or HeroLab to export some stat blocks you can pretty easily create monster tokens, NPC tokens and such with minimal effort. There is a little duct tape and baling wire involved, but it isn't too bad.

 

[jimmifett]

It's good to see PF doing well.

In my city, I've seen it split nearly down the middle, product availability wise, with an edge to 4e. I think this is a good thing as there is a place for different gaming appetites. I DM 4e, because it's quick and easy to prepare. I enjoy playing both systems, but mostly play 4e because that is what the wife knows. I have several APs from before 4e came out, at that point wife said I had to make a decision as money doesn't grow on trees. I went with 4e.

Many times I've been in the local stores and been harassed by the more rabid members of the PF crowd. I don't try to debate or argue with them, I know their mind is already made up. I say "thanks for the advice, I play both systems, you're wrong, go away". These people hurt the game and I've seen them scare off potential customers. I don't think I've met any rabid 4e players.

I've also met some great PF players who just simply enjoy their game and don't care about the OGL, system politics, or the mistaken belief that one system is better for RP than the other. These are the kind of ppl I enjoy playing with.

To me, it doesn't matter who is selling more, as long as both companies are doing well and keeping the hobby thriving.

 

[IronWolf]

I am sure they will protect their ip but in this day and age its pretty hard to completely stop online sharing. Even our products are being uploaded and downloaded for free online, and we are about as small as a game company can be. I imagine 4e is already available online for free and will continue to be after they stop producing it.

Yeah - I am sure there is piracy going on out there. Just wasn't sure how piracy as a suggested solution is a sound one. Certainly an option I suppose - just doesn't strike me as a very legitimate means of obtaining the content.

 

[jimmifett]

We know this is true because of WotC's history in this regard. Remember how they told us in advance that they were pulling PDF sales?

PDFs are overrated. I can't curl up on the couch and read it while my wife watches stupid women sniping at each other in whatever city of the season. They do me no good when I'm at the table and the PC is in another room (no, i'm not going to let someone else's fingers touch my fondle slab). I can't legally loan one out to a friend interested in joining the game or wanting to try a different character build. They are also useless after the zombie plague has been squashed and power has yet to be restored.

Yes, I want trees to suffer. Payback for breaking all those arms and legs of kids just trying to have fun climbing them.

Until I get some Vashta Nerada spores in my next book, I will gleefully enjoy turning the sheets of pulped and dried tree flesh and reading the ink rendered from the corpses of flowers