Well that's my bad, I guess. I thought I made it abundantly clear that it was past-tense, leading up to now, since this thread is about the historical context of 4e, I prefaced my long part by saying that I was speaking about my history with the game, and that it was largely written in past-tense.
Then again, you're right, this is the internet.
Unfortunately, it's how the internet is >.<
It was no different when they introduced 3e. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't be expected to learn from their mistakes. They claimed to be trying to reunite the community, but then commit blunders like that?
"Because Wotsee," (or Hasborg) s about all you can say about that.
That doesn't make it a good idea.
Given their successful marketing in so many areas, one would think they could figure out the DnD blunders.
Or any number of posts in here? Mine was far from the most offensive, and certainly had no pot-stirring intent. But no matter what I said, there would be someone who would react poorly to it. I was polite, said nothing specifically disparaging in the current context against any edition, and made no ad hominem attacks. Nature of the beast, I guess.
Your's was. That and the desire to not end up in a massive fight are why I am talking to you and not the others. And, yeah, people would react poorly to it. Nature of the internet. But, I think far fewer would have if worded right. But, eh. We can debate alternate timelines some other time.
It does matter, actually. I was illustrating a point, that being that opinions can change. I felt it necessary for context. I'm sorry that you disagree.
I do not disagree that it is not necessary for context; I disagree that it is not misinformation. The essential element of something does not change based upon circumstances; dihydrogen monoxide is still hydrogen and oxygen no matter whether it is in solid, liquid, or gaseous form. But clearer statement of context is what differentiates between vapor, water, and ice. Such is the issue with stating the past. Anymore, so many people are offended by presentations of it in certain ways, no matter if online or not, that it has to be carefully presented. And even then, some people will still be offended... but properly presented and people will point out that the issue of the offense is misdirected if spoken against the presenter.
So, my issue is not that it is necessary, but how it was presented. Mainly because it raised my hackles. However, I took a bit of time to work through that and lower my own hackles a bit before speaking.
I did say just that;
Sorry if that wasn't abundantly clear. I even included years as an indicator of past tense.
You did, but the way presented did not give any indicator as to how many of those feelings are not still current. Humans are unique in that they have the capacity to hold emotional reactions to specific events while reacting differently to similar events. As such, one never fully knows if a person still holds emotional reactions to events in the past unless they have stated a definite on it. That is part of why I try to be more exacting in my own language at times.
I made no disparaging remarks in a current context of any edition. So yeah, I'm not guitly of spreading vitriol, unless people are going to hold me accountable now for my past views. Seems a bit pointless.
It is pointless. So is all of the fighting on this thread. The entire conflict is pointless. And yet, it matters enough to some people that they are still here and still holding the same conflicts that have not been solved in six years. And it still matters to you enough that you are still going to defend, despite the fact your defense will do nothing except continue the fighting and ultimately prove just as pointless. Just like the attacks on 4E do nothing except continue the fighting and ultimately prove just as pointless.
And, thus, the circle of conflict shall continue.
I am tired of the fighting. All I want is for people to live and let live, but I won't stop defending my current edition of choice. People can hold their opinions all day long, but start spreading BS or stating opinion as fact and I have a problem. Besides, in these six years, or at least the four that I've been doing more than lurking, I've seen opinions change. Mine was one of them not even all that long before that.
Do you realize you just inadvertently admitted that you are trying to change people's opinions to be in favor of 4E? Even if you did not mean to say it, that is how it looks. And if you are hoping to live and let live, why does it matter that opinions change? Why does it matter that some people state opinion as fact? As long as they do not state it in an inflammatory manner and are not arguing with someone, there is no need to challenge it. So why are you so dedicated to challenging it?
I could say the same thing to you. Why didn't you ignore the conversation? I don't think I need to "move on" as you've put it, because I can still "play my game" with "people who actually enjoy it," (a potentially loaded statement if ever there was one) while still pointing out when people are acting off of incorrect information or arguing in bad faith. It's really that simple.
I have my reasons. I will not state they are good reasons. But you could say I'm trying to understand who I was and why it mattered so much.
And I will admit my statement was potentially loaded. I cannot deny it was, since I have your reaction telling me otherwise. I can say I do not see how it is that continuing the same battle you are tired of will do any good. I can say that to every person who is continuing to fight it. And, ultimately, my words will prove just as useless as your efforts will, and your efforts will prove just as useless as the efforts of those you will end up fighting.
It's just a game; the opinions of those who do not agree with you shouldn't even matter to you as long as you have people willing to play the game with you. And that goes for those who oppose 4E as well.