D&D 5E Wanting more content doesn't always equate to wanting tons of splat options so please stop.

[Maxperson]

Can't the same thing be said about a WoTC product?

No.

 

[Shasarak]

Please present evidence to support this claim. Thanks.

Is that not the whole point of putting the power back in the DMs hands? So that the players can not force the Dm to use material that they do not want to use by having everything classified as "core"?

 

[AaronOfBarbaria]

Is that not the whole point of putting the power back in the DMs hands?

No, the whole point of "putting the power back in the DMs hands" is not so that DMs will not allow fan-created material. That doesn't even make any sense, given that anything the DM makes up or alters using the power put in their hands is by definition fan-created material.

You've clearly confused two unrelated DM-imposed regulations, because Corwin was talking about "No fan-made stuff" and you are clearly (thanks to the below quoted portion) talking about "Core only" - a thing that some DMs used to try and keep their 3rd/3.5 game in line because the core game was already fragile enough without trying to figure out how to add on more bits without causing the game to collapse under its own weight.

So that the players can not force the Dm to use material that they do not want to use by having everything classified as "core"?

Player's trying to "force" the DM to use material is a completely separate issue from what material a DM chooses to make a blanket dismissal of. No one should "force" anyone at the table to do anything they don't want to - but ideally everyone at the table will still be getting what they want.

 

[AaronOfBarbaria]

No.

How or why can't it?

 

[hawkeyefan]

It's generally not balanced or very good. That's what's wrong with it. 3e proved that in spades. I have neither the time, nor inclination to spend hours pouring through a 3rd party product BEFORE I buy it(if I even can) in order to see if it's both good and not terribly overbalanced. I also can't really rely on reviews, because tastes vary so much and often people behind products get friends to say how great it is, even when it isn't.

That's probably why the OP wanted that stuff excluded.

How do you ever buy anything? I mean, there is no way to ever be certain you will like a book, unless you first have access to it through a friend or something like that.

Player's trying to "force" the DM to use material is a completely separate issue from what material a DM chooses to make a blanket dismissal of. No one should "force" anyone at the table to do anything they don't want to - but ideally everyone at the table will still be getting what they want.

I'd not to have to ban anything because there aren't a bunch of extra terrible options that have been added just to sell a book.

 

[Tony Vargas]

Can't the same thing be said about a WoTC product?

Yes.

 

[Zardnaar]

Indeed, some of the worst offenders for balance issues being introduced into the game were from WotC products themselves. Full blade wielding psionic half-giants and crap like that.

And on the flip side some of the best stuff to come out of 3e were third party products. Mearls and his work on Iron Kingdoms comes to mind.

Players handbook as well in 3.0, 3.5 and 4E.

Use 3PP stuff wisely, the new stuff is a lot better than the 3.0 rubbish. All thecrap ones have more or less gone out of business, the survivors generally got good doing Pathfinder or the OSR stuff.

If a product doesn't have a 4 or 5 star rating or is recommended to me by someone whose opinion matters I won't get it.

 

[Shasarak]

No, the whole point of "putting the power back in the DMs hands" is not so that DMs will not allow fan-created material. That doesn't even make any sense, given that anything the DM makes up or alters using the power put in their hands is by definition fan-created material.

You've clearly confused two unrelated DM-imposed regulations, because Corwin was talking about "No fan-made stuff" and you are clearly (thanks to the below quoted portion) talking about "Core only" - a thing that some DMs used to try and keep their 3rd/3.5 game in line because the core game was already fragile enough without trying to figure out how to add on more bits without causing the game to collapse under its own weight.

Player's trying to "force" the DM to use material is a completely separate issue from what material a DM chooses to make a blanket dismissal of. No one should "force" anyone at the table to do anything they don't want to - but ideally everyone at the table will still be getting what they want.

No I do not think anything has been "confused". There are plenty examples of DMs who do not accept even official WotC material whether that is no Tieflings, no Dragonborn or no Eladrin let alone material from someone else. I have even been told that some people are not even able to keep up with official product released so adding more material on top of that must be intolerable. I have seen recently, for example, Jester David asking whether someone had played all sixteen of the sub classes in SCAG before asking for anything new.

Because frankly if you have the type of DM whose game is going to collapse by using anything that is not "Core" then there is no way they would let you play something from the DMs Guild.

 

[AaronOfBarbaria]

No I do not think anything has been "confused".

You are very clearly either equating "fan-created" and "non-core", or are assuming that if someone is opposed to one source of material that they are inherently opposed to another. Hence my belief that you have confused those things as being related in a way that they aren't.

 

[happyhermit]

Look no further:

http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/march-2016-review

http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/may-dungeon-masters-guild-review

That should get you started.

Yeah, I was going to mention that there was a fighter archetype from DMs guild in the last Dragon+.

Now that that argument has been shown false I wonder to what degree the OP will reconsider their opinion? I am guessing that it will just go from "They don't promote that stuff" to "It doesn't matter if they promote that stuff".

Just as likely with this particular poster they will not respond and start another thread.